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This is a brutally biased source that is known for twisting the truth to support the reader's feelings. I absolutely ensure that this is not the full story at a

This is a brutally biased source that is known for twisting the truth to support the reader's feelings. I absolutely ensure that this is not the full story at all and it all reads as union busting fear to me. And thats with me owning a Model 3.

manuelabeledo 3y ago
I checked their source (Börskollen), and they quote Tesla Club Sweden [0], which, unsurprisingly, is quite biased as well. It absolutely looks like a hit piece to me. [0] https://teslaclubsweden.se/strejken-som-inte-fanns/ https://teslaclubsweden.se/strejken-som-inte-fanns/
ToucanLoucan 3y ago
> And thats with me owning a Model 3. I just wanted to reply here and say we need to disentangle these concepts from one another. This "vote with your dollars" stuff is bad on a number of fronts (Reducing all manner of political actions and statements down to consuming products; Vote with your dollars inherently means those with more dollars get more votes, which is not how voting should work) but far more importantly, it makes people add caveats and statements like this to their speech as though this makes their point better or worse in some way, and it shouldn't. This person owns a Tesla, and he at least seems to disagree with Tesla's politics regarding unions. This is fair. These are not opposing viewpoints because you didn't buy a Tesla because you love Tesla as a corporate entity and you love Elon Musk and you want to support that: you bought a Tesla because you wanted a Tesla, likely at least in part to solve the problem of requiring personal transportation, of an electric variety, and you thought this was the best solution to that problem for you. That is 100% valid and should not inherently be construed with supporting Tesla's union busting tactics here and elsewhere. And I say this because we all own products that are made by corporations that are up to all kinds of tom-fuckery all over the world, and we're never going to improve any of this if our arguments degrade into pointless finger wagging at one another because so and so owns a Tesla, therefore they're okay with union busting, or I own an iPhone, therefore I'm okay with suicide nets, or anyone who owns any battery powered device at all is okay with children in lithium mines, on and on. We end up in these nonproductive arguments trying to out soapbox one another while the people actually responsible continue burning the planet to a crisp. Now, you are free as a person to optimize your required consumption to fit your moral and political views, of course. Buying fair trade coffee is demonstrably better than not. Not buying fast fashion is pretty solidly a better choice. But for a lot of products the choice is murky at best and basically all of them have their problematic aspects, and chiding one another for that as though we control it in the slightest and aren't holding our own closet of skeletons is not productive, and also worth noting, those less-impactful consumption decisions very often come with higher price tags, meaning that the ability to do that is oftentimes gated behind a certain level of privilege. So yeah, sorry for the side tangent, but I wanted to comment on this.
virtualritz 3y ago
Indeed, I wouldn't trust a word on this topic from this source.

manuelabeledo 3y ago

I checked their source (Börskollen), and they quote Tesla Club Sweden [0], which, unsurprisingly, is quite biased as well. It absolutely looks like a hit piece to me. [0] https://teslaclubsweden.se/strejken-som-inte-fanns/ https://teslaclubsweden.se/strejken-som-inte-fanns/

ToucanLoucan 3y ago

> And thats with me owning a Model 3. I just wanted to reply here and say we need to disentangle these concepts from one another. This "vote with your dollars" stuff is bad on a number of fronts (Reducing all manner of political actions and statements down to consuming products; Vote with your dollars inherently means those with more dollars get more votes, which is not how voting should work) but far more importantly, it makes people add caveats and statements like this to their speech as though this makes their point better or worse in some way, and it shouldn't. This person owns a Tesla, and he at least seems to disagree with Tesla's politics regarding unions. This is fair. These are not opposing viewpoints because you didn't buy a Tesla because you love Tesla as a corporate entity and you love Elon Musk and you want to support that: you bought a Tesla because you wanted a Tesla, likely at least in part to solve the problem of requiring personal transportation, of an electric variety, and you thought this was the best solution to that problem for you. That is 100% valid and should not inherently be construed with supporting Tesla's union busting tactics here and elsewhere. And I say this because we all own products that are made by corporations that are up to all kinds of tom-fuckery all over the world, and we're never going to improve any of this if our arguments degrade into pointless finger wagging at one another because so and so owns a Tesla, therefore they're okay with union busting, or I own an iPhone, therefore I'm okay with suicide nets, or anyone who owns any battery powered device at all is okay with children in lithium mines, on and on. We end up in these nonproductive arguments trying to out soapbox one another while the people actually responsible continue burning the planet to a crisp. Now, you are free as a person to optimize your required consumption to fit your moral and political views, of course. Buying fair trade coffee is demonstrably better than not. Not buying fast fashion is pretty solidly a better choice. But for a lot of products the choice is murky at best and basically all of them have their problematic aspects, and chiding one another for that as though we control it in the slightest and aren't holding our own closet of skeletons is not productive, and also worth noting, those less-impactful consumption decisions very often come with higher price tags, meaning that the ability to do that is oftentimes gated behind a certain level of privilege. So yeah, sorry for the side tangent, but I wanted to comment on this.

virtualritz 3y ago

Indeed, I wouldn't trust a word on this topic from this source.