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The PTSD of veterans of the russian invasion of Ukraine will be horrific. At any point, a drone that you often can't hear or see can drop a grenade or mortar s

The PTSD of veterans of the russian invasion of Ukraine will be horrific. At any point, a drone that you often can't hear or see can drop a grenade or mortar shell that might kill all your squad but leave you unhurt. Or kill one person next to you in the trench. Or your vehicle may just explode with no warning. Sure, it could be argued that is not "worse" than other wars, but how will these veterans react to drones in the sky back in civilian life?

globalise83 3y ago
Probably recreational drones will need to be banned in places like Ukraine with a large contingent of traumatised war veterans. It must also be disturbing for Ukrainian refugees in Austria and Germany to have air raid sirens go off every time the local fire department needs to be summoned.
- hnbad 3y ago
  Which parts of Austria and Germany are that? In Germany the air raid sirens are part of the emergency broadcast system and outside natural disasters only heard during tests. These tests happen on a schedule and when done at a federal level )(i.e. when the cellular emergency system is also tested rather than just the sirens) you'll hear about them on the news in advance. I'm not aware of them being used to summon the fire department and don't think that's very common outside maybe extremely rural areas. AFAIK volunteer fire departments use mobile phones.
  - pohuing 3y ago
    Germany doesn't even have them as a federal thing anymore. However I know that our village siren goes off to notify the firefighters that they have to hurry to the station. And I can also hear the sirens of the neighbouring town if its an especially big fire.
vidanay 3y ago
But hasn't this always been the evolution of warfare? Once upon a time you had to look your enemy in the eye to fight them (sword, axe, fist, etc). And then someone invented the longbow and suddenly an arrow could silently fly out of a thicket 100 yards away and kill you without warning.
- bloopernova 3y ago
  Good point, I hadn't considered that. I wonder what the defining moment of drone combat will be? The equivalent of the Battle of Agincourt where English longbows devastated the opposing French force.
  - BrandoElFollito 3y ago
    We did everything wrong at Agincourt, the English longbows were just the nail to the coffin. French tactics were so bad that it is said that the English were looking in amazement how we were basically fighting with ourselves (cavalry vs retreating infantry)
- tored 3y ago
  That longbow shot was still most of the time within the combat zone, you as an individual knew that we can get ambushed here. Today you can get killed even far away from the front in a place that was considered mostly safe in previous wars. The psychological effect today is much worse than anytime in history.
  - MichaelZuo 3y ago
    Yes most of the time, but the occasional unlucky person would still get hit by a longbow arrow from seemingly nowhere. Maybe they're passing by some training grounds or some other non-combat zone.
jareklupinski 3y ago
I can't remember the source, but reading about London civilians living through pre- and post- supersonic weapons may help guide treatment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-2_rocket#Assessment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-2_rocket#Assessment > The psychological effect of the V-2 was considerable, as the V-2, traveling faster than the speed of sound, gave no warning before impact (unlike bombing planes or the V-1 flying bomb, which made a characteristic buzzing sound). There was no effective defence and no risk of pilot or crew casualties.
quickthrower2 3y ago
I heard the same about the war in Yemen a few years back. Kids scared of blue skies. Clouds are good.

globalise83 3y ago

Probably recreational drones will need to be banned in places like Ukraine with a large contingent of traumatised war veterans. It must also be disturbing for Ukrainian refugees in Austria and Germany to have air raid sirens go off every time the local fire department needs to be summoned.

hnbad 3y ago
Which parts of Austria and Germany are that? In Germany the air raid sirens are part of the emergency broadcast system and outside natural disasters only heard during tests. These tests happen on a schedule and when done at a federal level )(i.e. when the cellular emergency system is also tested rather than just the sirens) you'll hear about them on the news in advance. I'm not aware of them being used to summon the fire department and don't think that's very common outside maybe extremely rural areas. AFAIK volunteer fire departments use mobile phones.
- pohuing 3y ago
  Germany doesn't even have them as a federal thing anymore. However I know that our village siren goes off to notify the firefighters that they have to hurry to the station. And I can also hear the sirens of the neighbouring town if its an especially big fire.

vidanay 3y ago

But hasn't this always been the evolution of warfare? Once upon a time you had to look your enemy in the eye to fight them (sword, axe, fist, etc). And then someone invented the longbow and suddenly an arrow could silently fly out of a thicket 100 yards away and kill you without warning.

bloopernova 3y ago
Good point, I hadn't considered that. I wonder what the defining moment of drone combat will be? The equivalent of the Battle of Agincourt where English longbows devastated the opposing French force.
- BrandoElFollito 3y ago
  We did everything wrong at Agincourt, the English longbows were just the nail to the coffin. French tactics were so bad that it is said that the English were looking in amazement how we were basically fighting with ourselves (cavalry vs retreating infantry)
tored 3y ago
That longbow shot was still most of the time within the combat zone, you as an individual knew that we can get ambushed here. Today you can get killed even far away from the front in a place that was considered mostly safe in previous wars. The psychological effect today is much worse than anytime in history.
- MichaelZuo 3y ago
  Yes most of the time, but the occasional unlucky person would still get hit by a longbow arrow from seemingly nowhere. Maybe they're passing by some training grounds or some other non-combat zone.

jareklupinski 3y ago

I can't remember the source, but reading about London civilians living through pre- and post- supersonic weapons may help guide treatment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-2_rocket#Assessment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-2_rocket#Assessment > The psychological effect of the V-2 was considerable, as the V-2, traveling faster than the speed of sound, gave no warning before impact (unlike bombing planes or the V-1 flying bomb, which made a characteristic buzzing sound). There was no effective defence and no risk of pilot or crew casualties.

quickthrower2 3y ago

I heard the same about the war in Yemen a few years back. Kids scared of blue skies. Clouds are good.