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Really. When armed men enter the room any team of hackers is immediately pwned, and raises hands up. FWIW if current wars prove anything it's that no matter how

Really. When armed men enter the room any team of hackers is immediately pwned, and raises hands up. FWIW if current wars prove anything it's that no matter how sophisticated miltech got, the real control is still by infantry present at wanted place

ourmandave 3y ago
All roads lead to the xkcd $5 Wrench answer. https://xkcd.com/538/ https://xkcd.com/538/
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yaris 3y ago
If armed men enter the _correct_ room. And finding that is not as easy as it looks in movies, taking into account the fact that there can be no _the_ room rather than several rooms in different countries. Infantry can get stretched too thin to cover all of them at once.
- Kon-Peki 3y ago
  The Geneva Conventions aren't offering you any protections, so if the infantry is stretched a little too thin you probably can't do much complaining about the "treatment" they give you.
- broken-kebab 3y ago
  What you describe is exactly how it looks in Hollywood movies, while in real life we still yet to see any strategic achievements anywhere caused merely by cyberattack in spite of all sci-fi propheting. E.g. Ukrainian, and Russian hackers have been attacking each other relentlessly since RF started the war, and most successful operations include Ukrainians transmitting anti-Putin images on advertisement screens somewhere, and some e-services downed for a few hours on both sides. It looked cool in news, but didn't move a needle on the ground. Or during massive protests in Belarus in 2020, pro-opposition hackers penetrated almost everywhere, leaked tons of info, but when it all eventually boiled down to armed gov't loyalist forces vs unarmed crowds in streets, guess who won? Organized power is not that dependent on internets, and really important electronic systems are not that fragile anymore. Meanwhile infantry changes power on the ground in a very tangible, inescapeable way.
chiefalchemist 3y ago
True of false, Israel "blacked out" comms in Gaza*, and is controlling just about anything else entering. Physical attacks are for revenge. And are based on the past more than a view to the future. * Similar happened in Ukraine. The media doesn't highlight such things because their reporting what keeps you engaged in the short term, not what ultimately matters further out.
- broken-kebab 3y ago
  I know for sure that in unoccupied territories Ukrainians do great job keeping their communications reliably working (to the point that there are plenty of software development businesses successfully doing their jobs despite of war) unless a rocket hits some piece of infrastructure nearby. Which sort of disproves your claim. Zero blackouts were caused by hacking, and multiple by explosions.
  - chiefalchemist 3y ago
    afaik, that was mainly due to Starlink. Needless to say, Starlink is now a target.

ourmandave 3y ago

All roads lead to the xkcd $5 Wrench answer. https://xkcd.com/538/ https://xkcd.com/538/

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yaris 3y ago

If armed men enter the _correct_ room. And finding that is not as easy as it looks in movies, taking into account the fact that there can be no _the_ room rather than several rooms in different countries. Infantry can get stretched too thin to cover all of them at once.

Kon-Peki 3y ago
The Geneva Conventions aren't offering you any protections, so if the infantry is stretched a little too thin you probably can't do much complaining about the "treatment" they give you.
broken-kebab 3y ago
What you describe is exactly how it looks in Hollywood movies, while in real life we still yet to see any strategic achievements anywhere caused merely by cyberattack in spite of all sci-fi propheting. E.g. Ukrainian, and Russian hackers have been attacking each other relentlessly since RF started the war, and most successful operations include Ukrainians transmitting anti-Putin images on advertisement screens somewhere, and some e-services downed for a few hours on both sides. It looked cool in news, but didn't move a needle on the ground. Or during massive protests in Belarus in 2020, pro-opposition hackers penetrated almost everywhere, leaked tons of info, but when it all eventually boiled down to armed gov't loyalist forces vs unarmed crowds in streets, guess who won? Organized power is not that dependent on internets, and really important electronic systems are not that fragile anymore. Meanwhile infantry changes power on the ground in a very tangible, inescapeable way.

chiefalchemist 3y ago

True of false, Israel "blacked out" comms in Gaza*, and is controlling just about anything else entering. Physical attacks are for revenge. And are based on the past more than a view to the future. * Similar happened in Ukraine. The media doesn't highlight such things because their reporting what keeps you engaged in the short term, not what ultimately matters further out.

broken-kebab 3y ago
I know for sure that in unoccupied territories Ukrainians do great job keeping their communications reliably working (to the point that there are plenty of software development businesses successfully doing their jobs despite of war) unless a rocket hits some piece of infrastructure nearby. Which sort of disproves your claim. Zero blackouts were caused by hacking, and multiple by explosions.
- chiefalchemist 3y ago
  afaik, that was mainly due to Starlink. Needless to say, Starlink is now a target.