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Not to be confused with Ivan Ilyin or with Vladimir Ilyich (Lenin).

by thriftwy 3y ago

ajuc 3y ago
I was very confused for a moment why HN promotes russian fascism :)
- tazjin 3y ago
  Having some difficulty with the meaning of words, hm?
  - bigbillheck 3y ago
    You're the one who complained about fancy vocabulary.
  - ajuc 3y ago
    Illyin was a russian fascist. Openly so.
    - thriftwy 3y ago
      It was during these times when a significant chunk of American establishment and some members of British royal family were not less fascist leaning than him. I understand that they're also all not vogue now, but it still has to be reminded. He moved to Switzerland before German fasicsm turned out real bad.
      - ajuc 3y ago
        That explains why he wasn't shunned by western society back then, it doesn't explain why putin rehabilitated him recently, and it certainly wouldn't explain promoting his books on hackernews (which was why I was initially confused about this whole thread on hn).
        thriftwy 3y ago
        I'm not sure that the stuff in Ilyin's books is any worse than stuff in any philosophy books of XX century. French philosophers openly praised Mao and don't get me started on Heidegger...
fdgjgbdfhgb 3y ago
Or with Ivan Ilyich from "The Death of Ivan Ilyich" by Tolstoy [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Death_of_Ivan_Ilyich https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Death_of_Ivan_Ilyich
- bloak 3y ago
  That's the one I was more familiar with. (Is it the same name in some sense? On the one hand it rather looks like two different transcriptions of the same name; on the other hand Illich's father wasn't Russian and the names seem to be written differently in the Russian Wikipedia: Иллич, Ильич.)
  - tazjin 3y ago
    Ильич is a patronym (son of Ilya). Lenin's father's first name was Ilya. It's not clear whether Иллич (pronounced differently) is related, apparently it's used as a given name in some countries, or it might be an unrelated surname, or it might be a misspelling/mistranscription of the Russian patronym. Who knows!
vegabook 3y ago
Nor with Ilich Ramírez Sánchez aka Carlos the Jackal

Not to be confused with Ivan Ilyin or with Vladimir Ilyich (Lenin).

ajuc 3y ago

I was very confused for a moment why HN promotes russian fascism :)

tazjin 3y ago
Having some difficulty with the meaning of words, hm?
- bigbillheck 3y ago
  You're the one who complained about fancy vocabulary.
- ajuc 3y ago
  Illyin was a russian fascist. Openly so.
  - thriftwy 3y ago
    It was during these times when a significant chunk of American establishment and some members of British royal family were not less fascist leaning than him. I understand that they're also all not vogue now, but it still has to be reminded. He moved to Switzerland before German fasicsm turned out real bad.
    - ajuc 3y ago
      That explains why he wasn't shunned by western society back then, it doesn't explain why putin rehabilitated him recently, and it certainly wouldn't explain promoting his books on hackernews (which was why I was initially confused about this whole thread on hn).
      - thriftwy 3y ago
        I'm not sure that the stuff in Ilyin's books is any worse than stuff in any philosophy books of XX century. French philosophers openly praised Mao and don't get me started on Heidegger...

fdgjgbdfhgb 3y ago

Or with Ivan Ilyich from "The Death of Ivan Ilyich" by Tolstoy [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Death_of_Ivan_Ilyich https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Death_of_Ivan_Ilyich

bloak 3y ago
That's the one I was more familiar with. (Is it the same name in some sense? On the one hand it rather looks like two different transcriptions of the same name; on the other hand Illich's father wasn't Russian and the names seem to be written differently in the Russian Wikipedia: Иллич, Ильич.)
- tazjin 3y ago
  Ильич is a patronym (son of Ilya). Lenin's father's first name was Ilya. It's not clear whether Иллич (pronounced differently) is related, apparently it's used as a given name in some countries, or it might be an unrelated surname, or it might be a misspelling/mistranscription of the Russian patronym. Who knows!

vegabook 3y ago

Nor with Ilich Ramírez Sánchez aka Carlos the Jackal