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> If you are trying to be a well-rounded person with well-founded opinions on different topics, it makes sense to believe that there are others like you who are

> If you are trying to be a well-rounded person with well-founded opinions on different topics, it makes sense to believe that there are others like you who are further along the way. Maybe that's the issue with me. The more I learn, over years, the more cautious I become about forming an opinion. It's very rare that things are black or white, I can see it being all very grey. So if I see someone describing, with full confidence, that this is good and that is bad, without all that load of middle-tones, it just makes me feel that they either are not too smart or do not have good intentions. > You can come to very different conclusions based on how your worldview is constructed, and I think the sign of a true intellectual is that they can coherently describe theirs, and make other intellectuals understand it, even if they are diametrically opposed to it. I can see the appeal here. What I do not understand is, why would you approach that person as an authority?

Joker_vD 3y ago
> It's very rare that things are black or white, I can see it being all very grey Yes, it's much easier to paint the whole world one color than trying to paint it in two colors: you'd have to make distinctions and that's quite hard. But on the other hand, if two colors are not enough to paint the whole world, surely one color is even less enough?
- renlo 3y ago
  Philosophical dithering; reduce any concept to micro black-and-white distinctions to create the perception of grayscale when viewed in whole
  - xwiz 3y ago
    That might be an interesting experiment. Poll people on a large scale about dozens of minuscule moral issues that can be determined as GOOD or EVIL, then try to assemble more complex moral issues out of these building blocks. You could end up with some sort of statistical model of morality.
A4ET8a8uTh0 3y ago
<< Maybe that's the issue with me. The more I learn, over years, the more cautious I become about forming an opinion. Yep. Naturally, there is a weird social pressure to have an opinion now even if it ends up being just wrong later. Somehow just waiting is not acceptable. You need to take a stance and declare yourself as team A or team B ( or more ), which only adds to the further tribalization of our discourse.
- pjc50 3y ago
  The best phrasing of that I've seen is "you don't need to issue a statement on everything, you're not an embassy".
raincole 3y ago
> it's very rare that things are black or white, I can see it being all very grey When I was a teen I saw the world as black and white. When I got in college I knew they are all grey. And now I understand there are different shades of grey. Most of time we have no enough information to tell, but sometimes it's worth to look closely to distinguish them.

Joker_vD 3y ago

> It's very rare that things are black or white, I can see it being all very grey Yes, it's much easier to paint the whole world one color than trying to paint it in two colors: you'd have to make distinctions and that's quite hard. But on the other hand, if two colors are not enough to paint the whole world, surely one color is even less enough?

renlo 3y ago
Philosophical dithering; reduce any concept to micro black-and-white distinctions to create the perception of grayscale when viewed in whole
- xwiz 3y ago
  That might be an interesting experiment. Poll people on a large scale about dozens of minuscule moral issues that can be determined as GOOD or EVIL, then try to assemble more complex moral issues out of these building blocks. You could end up with some sort of statistical model of morality.

A4ET8a8uTh0 3y ago

<< Maybe that's the issue with me. The more I learn, over years, the more cautious I become about forming an opinion. Yep. Naturally, there is a weird social pressure to have an opinion now even if it ends up being just wrong later. Somehow just waiting is not acceptable. You need to take a stance and declare yourself as team A or team B ( or more ), which only adds to the further tribalization of our discourse.

pjc50 3y ago
The best phrasing of that I've seen is "you don't need to issue a statement on everything, you're not an embassy".

raincole 3y ago

> it's very rare that things are black or white, I can see it being all very grey When I was a teen I saw the world as black and white. When I got in college I knew they are all grey. And now I understand there are different shades of grey. Most of time we have no enough information to tell, but sometimes it's worth to look closely to distinguish them.