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> But I watch, on average, less than 1 hour of Youtube videos a month, so paying for Youtube makes no sense What's your issue with having to watch ads if you w

> But I watch, on average, less than 1 hour of Youtube videos a month, so paying for Youtube makes no sense What's your issue with having to watch ads if you watch less than 1 hour of video content a month? > I wish there was a free and open video platform that had a funding model like Wikipedia, where people could upload things that they had no intention of "monetizing" There's a lot of content on YouTube that people upload that they have no intention of monetizing. > I wish there was a free and open video platform that had a funding model like Wikipedia Why don't you or someone else try starting one?

garciansmith 3y ago
> What's your issue with having to watch ads if you watch less than 1 hour of video content a month? Moral issues, security issues, etc. These have been discussed in pretty much every thread about adblocking ever, really. I get that you might disagree with them, of course, but no need to rehash the here. I don't even like company logos displayed on my clothing, so you can guess which side of the "how much do you hate ads?" spectrum I'm on. > There's a lot of content on YouTube that people upload that they have no intention of monetizing. So on those you never see ads? Hilariously I don't actually know how Youtube works since the only time I've seen ads is when someone who doesn't use an adblocker shows me something (i.e., extremely rarely). Firefox + uBlock Origin (and Adblock Plus before that) has been enough to guard me for as long as I can remember. > Why don't you or someone else try starting one? Well, I can't speak for anyone else but I'm a middle-aged historian, so starting a video hosting platform is far beyond my expertise. Though in general asking someone "why don't you just go build it yourself" in response to a complaint about a service, software, or hardware item is a bit trite.
- belltaco 3y ago
  > Moral issues, security issues, etc. How is blocking ads not a moral issue? Video creators also get hurt by ad blockers, not just YT, which does have costs associated with serving you video. > So on those you never see ads? I think they started showing ads on them, just fewer. They do cost storage and bandwidth, so what's wrong with that? > Well, I can't speak for anyone else but I'm a middle-aged historian, so starting a video hosting platform is far beyond my expertise. Though in general asking someone "why don't you just go build it yourself" in response to a complaint about a service, software, or hardware item is a bit trite Popular web sites are typically co-founded by non-tech folks. Anyway, what I meant that if you looked into starting one, you'd understand the immense scale of storage and bandwidth costs.
  - vehementi 3y ago
    As they said, you aren't breaking new ground by asking these questions. Maybe bring yourself up to the state of the art of this debate etc. and contribute to that discussion wherever it is
  - daeros 3y ago
    Yes but, how are the content creators my problem, especially when Google isn't vetting their ads well enough to keep scam and malvertising people off their and networks. I could raise you to counter that the morally right thing to do is block those ads, at least until Google starts vetting its advertisers well enough to keep scammers out. How do content creators feel, profiting from the scamvertising going on on google's platforms?
    - guappa 3y ago
      Content creators do a lot of scamming from their part as well. They advertise nordvpn claiming that without using it, all of your traffic is unencrypted for example.
  - kahnclusions 3y ago
    > Video creators also get hurt by ad blockers I don’t have any kind of business relationship or agreement with content creators. This is their problem and YouTube’s problem. I only deal with YouTube, which sends video streams to my computer for free, and I’m exercising my right to decide what I want to play on my own computer that I own. More and more content creators are getting their income through sponsorships and referrals, anyways, as they feel the squeeze of YouTube’s exploitative and predatory behaviour.
  - jonathanstrange 3y ago
    There is a moral issue, you're right. Blocking ads is clearly morally permissible. Blocking ads is equivalent to not locking at billboards and skipping ad pages in a magazine (or tearing the pages out). There is no moral issue with any of that. You've bought a PC, you run whatever software you like on it. You have a right to chose how your machine displays content you download from the net. In turn, the maker of a web page can chose to offer whatever they want. If they need more money, then they can transmit the content only if you pay. That's perfectly feasible and reasonable. What they cannot and should be able to decide is how your machine displays their content and what kind of other software you use on your machine. I believe that - if at all - only tightly controlled government authorities should be allowed to force display messages on end user machines, and if so, only in severe emergencies and for the protection of civilian lives. People in this debate sometimes argue based on costs and money lost from ad revenue. These are business discussions that have no place in the moral evaluation at all. Not every business model works. So what, find another business model, is the answer.
screamingninja 3y ago
> Why don't you or someone else try starting one? https://joinpeertube.org/ https://joinpeertube.org/ There are several instances, but that is not the solution to what the parent comment is pointing out. Videos are being published on YouTube because of network effect; it has become the defacto platform.
kahnclusions 3y ago
> What's your issue with having to watch ads if you watch less than 1 hour of video content a month? Why should I be forced to watch something I don’t want to watch? Google sends my computer a stream of “[ad][ad][content]”. It’s my own damn choice which parts of that to watch.

garciansmith 3y ago

> What's your issue with having to watch ads if you watch less than 1 hour of video content a month? Moral issues, security issues, etc. These have been discussed in pretty much every thread about adblocking ever, really. I get that you might disagree with them, of course, but no need to rehash the here. I don't even like company logos displayed on my clothing, so you can guess which side of the "how much do you hate ads?" spectrum I'm on. > There's a lot of content on YouTube that people upload that they have no intention of monetizing. So on those you never see ads? Hilariously I don't actually know how Youtube works since the only time I've seen ads is when someone who doesn't use an adblocker shows me something (i.e., extremely rarely). Firefox + uBlock Origin (and Adblock Plus before that) has been enough to guard me for as long as I can remember. > Why don't you or someone else try starting one? Well, I can't speak for anyone else but I'm a middle-aged historian, so starting a video hosting platform is far beyond my expertise. Though in general asking someone "why don't you just go build it yourself" in response to a complaint about a service, software, or hardware item is a bit trite.

belltaco 3y ago
> Moral issues, security issues, etc. How is blocking ads not a moral issue? Video creators also get hurt by ad blockers, not just YT, which does have costs associated with serving you video. > So on those you never see ads? I think they started showing ads on them, just fewer. They do cost storage and bandwidth, so what's wrong with that? > Well, I can't speak for anyone else but I'm a middle-aged historian, so starting a video hosting platform is far beyond my expertise. Though in general asking someone "why don't you just go build it yourself" in response to a complaint about a service, software, or hardware item is a bit trite Popular web sites are typically co-founded by non-tech folks. Anyway, what I meant that if you looked into starting one, you'd understand the immense scale of storage and bandwidth costs.
- vehementi 3y ago
  As they said, you aren't breaking new ground by asking these questions. Maybe bring yourself up to the state of the art of this debate etc. and contribute to that discussion wherever it is
- daeros 3y ago
  Yes but, how are the content creators my problem, especially when Google isn't vetting their ads well enough to keep scam and malvertising people off their and networks. I could raise you to counter that the morally right thing to do is block those ads, at least until Google starts vetting its advertisers well enough to keep scammers out. How do content creators feel, profiting from the scamvertising going on on google's platforms?
  - guappa 3y ago
    Content creators do a lot of scamming from their part as well. They advertise nordvpn claiming that without using it, all of your traffic is unencrypted for example.
- kahnclusions 3y ago
  > Video creators also get hurt by ad blockers I don’t have any kind of business relationship or agreement with content creators. This is their problem and YouTube’s problem. I only deal with YouTube, which sends video streams to my computer for free, and I’m exercising my right to decide what I want to play on my own computer that I own. More and more content creators are getting their income through sponsorships and referrals, anyways, as they feel the squeeze of YouTube’s exploitative and predatory behaviour.
- jonathanstrange 3y ago
  There is a moral issue, you're right. Blocking ads is clearly morally permissible. Blocking ads is equivalent to not locking at billboards and skipping ad pages in a magazine (or tearing the pages out). There is no moral issue with any of that. You've bought a PC, you run whatever software you like on it. You have a right to chose how your machine displays content you download from the net. In turn, the maker of a web page can chose to offer whatever they want. If they need more money, then they can transmit the content only if you pay. That's perfectly feasible and reasonable. What they cannot and should be able to decide is how your machine displays their content and what kind of other software you use on your machine. I believe that - if at all - only tightly controlled government authorities should be allowed to force display messages on end user machines, and if so, only in severe emergencies and for the protection of civilian lives. People in this debate sometimes argue based on costs and money lost from ad revenue. These are business discussions that have no place in the moral evaluation at all. Not every business model works. So what, find another business model, is the answer.

screamingninja 3y ago

> Why don't you or someone else try starting one? https://joinpeertube.org/ https://joinpeertube.org/ There are several instances, but that is not the solution to what the parent comment is pointing out. Videos are being published on YouTube because of network effect; it has become the defacto platform.

kahnclusions 3y ago

> What's your issue with having to watch ads if you watch less than 1 hour of video content a month? Why should I be forced to watch something I don’t want to watch? Google sends my computer a stream of “[ad][ad][content]”. It’s my own damn choice which parts of that to watch.