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Too much of a wall of text and too much reactions to individual points instead of general ideas. There's no way to discuss like this... anyway I took in your ar

by megous 3y ago

Too much of a wall of text and too much reactions to individual points instead of general ideas. There's no way to discuss like this... anyway I took in your arguments, and will refine my thinking according to some that I don't reject already. Like the hospital bombings, or enough aid being allowed in, numbers of killed (you're conflating various branches of Hamas), LGBT executions, and some other things. As for Al-Ahli bombing, I don't trust IDF on that one. Too much mis-direction early on. Like showing video from AJ arabic (which I managed to still capture in FullHD via youtube livestream, and scroll back to various times prior to the event and see wider context, geolocate, identify camera direction, etc., so when IDF showed their map with rocket paths + AJ video, I knew they're not serious, and "proof" is just propaganda in this instance) NYT a few days later came to the same conclusion as to IDF claims about AJ video. So that's just inconclusive, can be either way to me as who did it, atm. As for my argument around Gaza destruction, that's refering to the final state (not the current one). If Hamas destruction is the goal, Israel will have to plow through the entire strip for that to happen. North is pretty much destroyed already, and IDF didn't really enter the city, yet in any meaningful ways. IDF will also likely want to destroy the tunnels, which is likely to cause massive destruction to the city, unless they'll use some method that will preserve the city.

invalidname 3y ago
You're picking and choosing facts to verify your confirmation bias and literally stating that. > As for Al-Ahli bombing, I don't trust IDF on that one. The IDF provided multiple different sources one of which were obtained by al-jazeera. It included recorded calls, missile and bombing information. Pictures from the ground that showed the impact. This was then reviewed by both foreign press (not just NYT, also CNN and other sources) and by the USAs defense department. All concluded that Israel told the truth. Israeli bombs are accurate. Israel would have no motivation to bomb a hospital and doesn't bomb a hospital where it KNOWS the Hamas is headquartered. The fact that you explicitly still choose not to believe the facts shows that you made that deep choice. I suggest you re-evaluate that. Yes. Israeli settlements are terrible. Israel did do a lot of bad things in the past too. But there are no settlements in Gaza. In this particular point in time Israel isn't perfect, but you shouldn't let past biases dictate the current situation. > As for my argument around Gaza destruction, that's refering to the final state (not the current one). So besides judging Israel in general, you also judge it for crimes it will commit in the future? Are you reading what you're saying??? Not a single word included anything against how terrible the Hamas really is. How it places its own people in danger, how it treats its own civilians in times of "peace". Nothing? Israel did and probably will do bad things. Blaming it for stuff it didn't do damages the cause of protecting the Palestinian people. Facts matter, it's a fact that the Hamas is a racist, murderous organization. The IDF has its faults, but it is ultimately accountable for its actions and usually does provide well documented information that complies with international law.

by megous 3y ago

invalidname 3y ago

You're picking and choosing facts to verify your confirmation bias and literally stating that. > As for Al-Ahli bombing, I don't trust IDF on that one. The IDF provided multiple different sources one of which were obtained by al-jazeera. It included recorded calls, missile and bombing information. Pictures from the ground that showed the impact. This was then reviewed by both foreign press (not just NYT, also CNN and other sources) and by the USAs defense department. All concluded that Israel told the truth. Israeli bombs are accurate. Israel would have no motivation to bomb a hospital and doesn't bomb a hospital where it KNOWS the Hamas is headquartered. The fact that you explicitly still choose not to believe the facts shows that you made that deep choice. I suggest you re-evaluate that. Yes. Israeli settlements are terrible. Israel did do a lot of bad things in the past too. But there are no settlements in Gaza. In this particular point in time Israel isn't perfect, but you shouldn't let past biases dictate the current situation. > As for my argument around Gaza destruction, that's refering to the final state (not the current one). So besides judging Israel in general, you also judge it for crimes it will commit in the future? Are you reading what you're saying??? Not a single word included anything against how terrible the Hamas really is. How it places its own people in danger, how it treats its own civilians in times of "peace". Nothing? Israel did and probably will do bad things. Blaming it for stuff it didn't do damages the cause of protecting the Palestinian people. Facts matter, it's a fact that the Hamas is a racist, murderous organization. The IDF has its faults, but it is ultimately accountable for its actions and usually does provide well documented information that complies with international law.