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Another true entitlement is adblock users complaining that YouTube is greedy, etcetera, now that they're actually kicking said users off their site. You (in the

Another true entitlement is adblock users complaining that YouTube is greedy, etcetera, now that they're actually kicking said users off their site. You (in the general sense) are certainly not responsible for making YouTube's business work, but by a similar token they are certainly not under any obligation to continue serving data to users who don't generate any revenue.

hombre_fatal 3y ago
Convenient lack of mention of the content creators in these threads where people just complain about Youtube corporation.
- matheusmoreira 3y ago
  Content creators have other revenue streams these days. The ones I enjoy have quite the following on Patreon and other such platforms. Unlike ads, those are perfectly ethical ways to make money and I wish them all the success in the world. They don't even require copyright to work since they don't depend on artificial scarcity.
matheusmoreira 3y ago
> by a similar token they are certainly not under any obligation to continue serving data to users who don't generate any revenue Sure. Let's see them return HTTP 402 Payment Required instead of a free video stream then. I'm actually okay with that. Somehow I doubt they'll ever do that. They want that mass market appeal, don't they? I know it. You know it. Everyone knows it. Just like the "free" apps who do anything in the world to get themselves installed so they can start monetizing.
- caconym_ 3y ago
  I'm not really sure what you're getting at here. By all accounts, YouTube is implementing countermeasures that block adblock users from watching videos on their site. What is functionally different between that and returning a 402, especially since you can in fact pay for ad-free YouTube?
  - matheusmoreira 3y ago
    Nope. Still free, they just managed to circumvent my browser extension. They're not even supposed to know I have it installed. They need to either start charging everyone for access or stop complaining. I pay for access to a lot of things but I'm not paying money to avoid ads. I sure as hell am not gonna pay money to watch videos with hard coded ads.
    - caconym_ 3y ago
      > Nope. What part of my comment, specifically, is this responding to? > They need to either start charging everyone for access or stop complaining. Why?
      - matheusmoreira 3y ago
        > What part of my comment, specifically, is this responding to? The notion that detecting our adblocker and actually charging for content are equivalent. > Why? Because if they send us ads we'll delete them and there is pretty much nothing they can do about it.
        caconym_ 3y ago
        > The notion that detecting our adblocker and actually charging for content are equivalent. Well then maybe you meant to respond to somebody else, because that's not something I said at any point. > Because if they send us ads we'll delete them and there is pretty much nothing they can do about it. This entire HN thread and the linked article are about how they are literally doing something about it, and it's working.
        matheusmoreira 3y ago
        > it's working The cat and mouse game is not instantaneous. Give it a little time.
    - thirdsun 3y ago

hombre_fatal 3y ago

Convenient lack of mention of the content creators in these threads where people just complain about Youtube corporation.

matheusmoreira 3y ago
Content creators have other revenue streams these days. The ones I enjoy have quite the following on Patreon and other such platforms. Unlike ads, those are perfectly ethical ways to make money and I wish them all the success in the world. They don't even require copyright to work since they don't depend on artificial scarcity.

matheusmoreira 3y ago

> by a similar token they are certainly not under any obligation to continue serving data to users who don't generate any revenue Sure. Let's see them return HTTP 402 Payment Required instead of a free video stream then. I'm actually okay with that. Somehow I doubt they'll ever do that. They want that mass market appeal, don't they? I know it. You know it. Everyone knows it. Just like the "free" apps who do anything in the world to get themselves installed so they can start monetizing.

caconym_ 3y ago
I'm not really sure what you're getting at here. By all accounts, YouTube is implementing countermeasures that block adblock users from watching videos on their site. What is functionally different between that and returning a 402, especially since you can in fact pay for ad-free YouTube?
- matheusmoreira 3y ago
  Nope. Still free, they just managed to circumvent my browser extension. They're not even supposed to know I have it installed. They need to either start charging everyone for access or stop complaining. I pay for access to a lot of things but I'm not paying money to avoid ads. I sure as hell am not gonna pay money to watch videos with hard coded ads.
  - caconym_ 3y ago
    > Nope. What part of my comment, specifically, is this responding to? > They need to either start charging everyone for access or stop complaining. Why?
    - matheusmoreira 3y ago
      > What part of my comment, specifically, is this responding to? The notion that detecting our adblocker and actually charging for content are equivalent. > Why? Because if they send us ads we'll delete them and there is pretty much nothing they can do about it.
      - caconym_ 3y ago
        > The notion that detecting our adblocker and actually charging for content are equivalent. Well then maybe you meant to respond to somebody else, because that's not something I said at any point. > Because if they send us ads we'll delete them and there is pretty much nothing they can do about it. This entire HN thread and the linked article are about how they are literally doing something about it, and it's working.
        matheusmoreira 3y ago
        > it's working The cat and mouse game is not instantaneous. Give it a little time.
  - thirdsun 3y ago