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So, I completely disagree. I work in tech, and I personally empathize how stress can get to you, but I came from a blue-collar family- as a kid I watched my dad

So, I completely disagree. I work in tech, and I personally empathize how stress can get to you, but I came from a blue-collar family- as a kid I watched my dad risk his life to drive though an ice storm for some shitty job, eventually it almost cost him his life after a bad wreck. I saw him pick up construction gigs after his divorce, and he would tell me on a regular basis how he had to cover for a friend that shot a nail through his hand or fell off a roof. My point is, the 99%, or whatever we want to call them see people like us complaining about how our lives are so stressful as weak and embarrassing. Honestly, I have to agree. There are statistics to prove my point. Poor, working class countries have an almost non-existent rate of suicide and psychological issues. Clearly all the people saying we should be have a higher EQ and be accepting of mental health issues were full of it, and frankly, I’m waiting for them to admit it and society to take a new approach.

doitLP 3y ago
You have a point. But what is the cause then? That the fight for survival and chasing a bit of comfort and relaxation is actually mentally beneficial? Certainly seems so
TideAd 3y ago
This is a pretty rude generalization, though I get it. As you grow in this career I promise you'll see people with real, serious problems caused/exacerbated by their white-collar jobs. I don't think the difficulty of other careers means we shouldn't demand fair treatment for ourselves. Is letting ourselves get treated poorly supposed to help them?
VincentEvans 3y ago
> Poor, working class countries have an almost non-existent rate of suicide and psychological issues. Instead they have sky high alcoholism, substance abuse, and domestic violence. Also lol about non-existent “psychological issues” - I am sure they also “don’t have gays”. If that’s too indirect - associating societal stigma makes all kinds of issues “almost non-existent”.
ClumsyPilot 3y ago
> people like us complaining about how our lives are so stressful as weak and embarrassing The biologically correct way to deal with stress is to punch your boss in the face. Back in the day, a family member has done it, broke the guy's0 nose, says it was one his best days. These days we cant do that, corporate culture has us by the balls > Poor, working class countries have an almost non-existent rate of suicide That's fantasy - it's like saying that in year 1000 noone dies of cancer. They did, there jusy werent any doctors around to diagnose the problem and no statisticians to record it. I lived in a poor country, noone ever goes to a psycologist, they hide issues, and, if someone kills themselves, they will record it as something else to avoid the shame
000ooo000 3y ago
What an odd take. You start from a significant oversimplification and then point to 'statistics' in an entirely different context/culture/society as 'proof' that, basically, white collar stress isn't real stress.
hotnfresh 3y ago
Not to minimize the risk to health in blue collar jobs, but I’ve done some, and if you reduced that risk to be similar to office jobs and equalized the pay, I’d pick them over office work, no question. Now, that’s some big “if”s, but all I mean is that some aspects of office work are in fact pretty bad. A couple weeks into my wife starting a “cushy” standard knowledge work office job with a fairly typical level of demand for actual work (i.e. not all that much, really), coming from one that kept her on her feet and constantly busy and thinking, she said something like: “oh wow, now I get why you’re always so drained at the end of every day”. Staring at a computer all day sucks. That doesn’t mean I’d rather be doing roofing, all factors considered, but it does suck.
joseda-hg 3y ago
I agree with your logic, but I'm not sure on the conclusion In my limited anecdotal data*, you learn to handle as much stress as your formative enviroment exposes, and the problems start when the stress ramps up too fast for a person to adapt Which is why, for someone from a "worse" backgrounds other people "feel soft", is like comparing a strongman to an average person and expecting them to handle similar weights, but then they also tend to have other coping mechanisms, which may or may not be a net positive *Venezuelan migrant here, I recently saw on reddit list of suicide rates by countries in LATAM, Venezuela was I believe second to lowest and it was a significant difference, even after a crisis large enough to move a population the size of Laos out of the country

doitLP 3y ago

You have a point. But what is the cause then? That the fight for survival and chasing a bit of comfort and relaxation is actually mentally beneficial? Certainly seems so

TideAd 3y ago

This is a pretty rude generalization, though I get it. As you grow in this career I promise you'll see people with real, serious problems caused/exacerbated by their white-collar jobs. I don't think the difficulty of other careers means we shouldn't demand fair treatment for ourselves. Is letting ourselves get treated poorly supposed to help them?

VincentEvans 3y ago

> Poor, working class countries have an almost non-existent rate of suicide and psychological issues. Instead they have sky high alcoholism, substance abuse, and domestic violence. Also lol about non-existent “psychological issues” - I am sure they also “don’t have gays”. If that’s too indirect - associating societal stigma makes all kinds of issues “almost non-existent”.

ClumsyPilot 3y ago

> people like us complaining about how our lives are so stressful as weak and embarrassing The biologically correct way to deal with stress is to punch your boss in the face. Back in the day, a family member has done it, broke the guy's0 nose, says it was one his best days. These days we cant do that, corporate culture has us by the balls > Poor, working class countries have an almost non-existent rate of suicide That's fantasy - it's like saying that in year 1000 noone dies of cancer. They did, there jusy werent any doctors around to diagnose the problem and no statisticians to record it. I lived in a poor country, noone ever goes to a psycologist, they hide issues, and, if someone kills themselves, they will record it as something else to avoid the shame

000ooo000 3y ago

What an odd take. You start from a significant oversimplification and then point to 'statistics' in an entirely different context/culture/society as 'proof' that, basically, white collar stress isn't real stress.

hotnfresh 3y ago

Not to minimize the risk to health in blue collar jobs, but I’ve done some, and if you reduced that risk to be similar to office jobs and equalized the pay, I’d pick them over office work, no question. Now, that’s some big “if”s, but all I mean is that some aspects of office work are in fact pretty bad. A couple weeks into my wife starting a “cushy” standard knowledge work office job with a fairly typical level of demand for actual work (i.e. not all that much, really), coming from one that kept her on her feet and constantly busy and thinking, she said something like: “oh wow, now I get why you’re always so drained at the end of every day”. Staring at a computer all day sucks. That doesn’t mean I’d rather be doing roofing, all factors considered, but it does suck.

joseda-hg 3y ago

I agree with your logic, but I'm not sure on the conclusion In my limited anecdotal data*, you learn to handle as much stress as your formative enviroment exposes, and the problems start when the stress ramps up too fast for a person to adapt Which is why, for someone from a "worse" backgrounds other people "feel soft", is like comparing a strongman to an average person and expecting them to handle similar weights, but then they also tend to have other coping mechanisms, which may or may not be a net positive *Venezuelan migrant here, I recently saw on reddit list of suicide rates by countries in LATAM, Venezuela was I believe second to lowest and it was a significant difference, even after a crisis large enough to move a population the size of Laos out of the country