> Now program managers, it remains to be seen where their value comes from and I hope it does in my experience, they manage project managers for systems with a

> Now program managers, it remains to be seen where their value comes from and I hope it does in my experience, they manage project managers for systems with a high degree of complexity, e.g. an aircraft, and the product managers work through them, instead of through project managers directly. Or they are themselves the product manager, just with different terminology depending on the industry