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canadian anecdote: i havent seen my GP ever. He just oversees resident (student doctors). Ive had chronic health issues for 3 years now without much relief, des

canadian anecdote: i havent seen my GP ever. He just oversees resident (student doctors). Ive had chronic health issues for 3 years now without much relief, despite having been to the doctors office 20+ in that time. Most of the time they deflect me from specialist care.

hahahb3nme 3y ago
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- rafram 3y ago
  That’s a horrible thing to say.
  - deleted 3y ago
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  - sterlind 3y ago
    there's been an issue with MAID being recommended or encouraged to people who don't want to die, but who have complex chronic illnesses that are expensive to treat. there's been a few really shocking cases of that happening, even sometimes crossing the line into coersion.
  - acover 3y ago
    It's a morbid joke but 30% of bc residents don't have a family doctor. Maid is being used as a tool to lighten the load on the system.
rchaud 3y ago
I'm Canadian too, and the only time I didn't see my family doctor (phone appointment) was at the height of the COVID lockdown. Are you located in a remote area?
- penjelly 3y ago
  no i am in ottawa, and i go to a major hospital, their family health division.
  - userinanother 3y ago
    Don’t go to a teaching hospital that’s always a mistake unless you have some really abnormal problem
- drpgq 3y ago
  I'm in Hamilton and I mostly see residents.
robomartin 3y ago
> Ive had chronic health issues for 3 years now without much relief, despite having been to the doctors office 20+ in that time. This is the problem with all of these systems that try to violate the laws of physics (aka: free market economics). They invariably results in substandard care, if you receive care at all. Keeping people alive isn't the same thing as actually solving problems with quality care. This is my big gripe with the ACA (Obamacare) in the US. It's a shit system that was sold as a quality system. There are so many things wrong with it I am sick of listing them. My wife is a doctor, so I've been privy to behind the scenes effects. If you think your doctor gives a shit about you when you come to the office with one of the stupid plans, enjoy the fantasy. Doctors do care. However, they can't see thousands of patients at a loss. They have bills to pay, just like anyone else. More than anyone else, actually. And do, what happens in a lot of practices, is that doctors are forced to become numb to their caring impulse upon realizing that there's a dividing line between quality care and going broke. And so, they churn through patients at a rapid rate because the only way to make it is quantity. My wife was telling me that the office next to hers has four PA's. They each see 40 to 50 people per day. That's an average of 10 minutes per patient. That's not care. That's medical professionals being forced by a shit system to push on the cash register button as quickly as they are able to just to make it. It is important to keep context in mind when thinking about some of these things. Imagine an office with a couple of MD's, a few PA's, a few medical assistants and one or two administrators. Collectively, this is a group of people with somewhere around, say, $1.5 million dollars in student loans to repay. They each have homes, cars, kids and other bills to support. That sets-up a situation where it is impossible for that medical practice to exist below a certain revenue threshold. More accurately, below a certain profit level. If the insurance system they have to work with is shit, they have two options: Close the doors and everyone becomes an Uber driver or keep them open and run as many people as possible through the doors with a $10 to $50 per person gross profit probability per person. No, do the math. Don't just react to this through emotion. People have to get paid for their work, just like you. So, let's assume $50 per person average profit (not sure that's a good assumption, it depends on the practice). What I mean by "profit" here is what you get paid (not what you bill, because sometimes you don't get what you bill) vs. what it costs for a medical professional (say, a PA) to provide that service. Now assume you can churn through 100 people per day. That means $5,000 per day in gross profit. If you are open 20 days per month, the gross profit is $100K per month. You now have to pay, say $25K per month for rent, utilities, insurance and various other expenses. That means $80K per month. Let's say two MD's own the practice and each gets paid $25K per month salary. You are left with $30K in the bank. You likely have other expenses that will easily consume half of that, cleaning, legal, accounting, software licenses, IT, etc. You are now down to $15K. Which is a formula for going bankrupt. What do you do? Well, you have to crunch through more people per day and try to maintain the same cost structure per patient. So, you try to see 150 to 200 people per day --if you can, not all practices can do that-- and pump them through as fast as possible. In other words, you cannot prioritize quality care. Anyone thinking "Just provide better care and bill for it". It doesn't work that way. Say you decide to see only 50 patients per day. Obamacare shit plans are not going to magically pay you double for taking someone's pressure and temperature or going through a basic diagnostic check. The limit function here is that these plans are shit, they don't pay for quality care, they pay for delivering the fantasy of having medical care. Not to mention the horrible problems of Medicaid/Medicare. That's another half dozen paragraphs. Yes, everyone should have access to *quality* healthcare at a reasonable cost. No, that isn't possible if imbeciles in government make the decisions. These are the same people who, through incompetence and mismanagement can't seem to give us a world without war and misery. What makes anyone think they can actually deliver solid quality healthcare? BTW, my wife and her partners finally had enough. They launched a boutique medical care office. They provide high quality care at a reasonable price. Patients are well taken care of, employees make a sustainable salary and nobody has to engage in the soul-crushing practice of treating patients like cattle.
fakedang 3y ago
Honestly, if you have the time, just go abroad to India or Thailand and get a full body check up. Don't leave your medical conditions untreated. Considering the restrictions around getting medications in the US, these hospitals night already have ways for you to prescribe you stuff. Just stick to the reputed ones like Apollo or Narayana Hrudalaya in India or Bumrungrad in Thailand. Or if you can splurge the cash, go for non-resident treatment at an American hospital (which is arguably cheaper than the insurance-covered prices).

hahahb3nme 3y ago

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rafram 3y ago
That’s a horrible thing to say.
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]
- sterlind 3y ago
  there's been an issue with MAID being recommended or encouraged to people who don't want to die, but who have complex chronic illnesses that are expensive to treat. there's been a few really shocking cases of that happening, even sometimes crossing the line into coersion.
- acover 3y ago
  It's a morbid joke but 30% of bc residents don't have a family doctor. Maid is being used as a tool to lighten the load on the system.

rchaud 3y ago

I'm Canadian too, and the only time I didn't see my family doctor (phone appointment) was at the height of the COVID lockdown. Are you located in a remote area?

penjelly 3y ago
no i am in ottawa, and i go to a major hospital, their family health division.
- userinanother 3y ago
  Don’t go to a teaching hospital that’s always a mistake unless you have some really abnormal problem
drpgq 3y ago
I'm in Hamilton and I mostly see residents.

robomartin 3y ago

> Ive had chronic health issues for 3 years now without much relief, despite having been to the doctors office 20+ in that time. This is the problem with all of these systems that try to violate the laws of physics (aka: free market economics). They invariably results in substandard care, if you receive care at all. Keeping people alive isn't the same thing as actually solving problems with quality care. This is my big gripe with the ACA (Obamacare) in the US. It's a shit system that was sold as a quality system. There are so many things wrong with it I am sick of listing them. My wife is a doctor, so I've been privy to behind the scenes effects. If you think your doctor gives a shit about you when you come to the office with one of the stupid plans, enjoy the fantasy. Doctors do care. However, they can't see thousands of patients at a loss. They have bills to pay, just like anyone else. More than anyone else, actually. And do, what happens in a lot of practices, is that doctors are forced to become numb to their caring impulse upon realizing that there's a dividing line between quality care and going broke. And so, they churn through patients at a rapid rate because the only way to make it is quantity. My wife was telling me that the office next to hers has four PA's. They each see 40 to 50 people per day. That's an average of 10 minutes per patient. That's not care. That's medical professionals being forced by a shit system to push on the cash register button as quickly as they are able to just to make it. It is important to keep context in mind when thinking about some of these things. Imagine an office with a couple of MD's, a few PA's, a few medical assistants and one or two administrators. Collectively, this is a group of people with somewhere around, say, $1.5 million dollars in student loans to repay. They each have homes, cars, kids and other bills to support. That sets-up a situation where it is impossible for that medical practice to exist below a certain revenue threshold. More accurately, below a certain profit level. If the insurance system they have to work with is shit, they have two options: Close the doors and everyone becomes an Uber driver or keep them open and run as many people as possible through the doors with a $10 to $50 per person gross profit probability per person. No, do the math. Don't just react to this through emotion. People have to get paid for their work, just like you. So, let's assume $50 per person average profit (not sure that's a good assumption, it depends on the practice). What I mean by "profit" here is what you get paid (not what you bill, because sometimes you don't get what you bill) vs. what it costs for a medical professional (say, a PA) to provide that service. Now assume you can churn through 100 people per day. That means $5,000 per day in gross profit. If you are open 20 days per month, the gross profit is $100K per month. You now have to pay, say $25K per month for rent, utilities, insurance and various other expenses. That means $80K per month. Let's say two MD's own the practice and each gets paid $25K per month salary. You are left with $30K in the bank. You likely have other expenses that will easily consume half of that, cleaning, legal, accounting, software licenses, IT, etc. You are now down to $15K. Which is a formula for going bankrupt. What do you do? Well, you have to crunch through more people per day and try to maintain the same cost structure per patient. So, you try to see 150 to 200 people per day --if you can, not all practices can do that-- and pump them through as fast as possible. In other words, you cannot prioritize quality care. Anyone thinking "Just provide better care and bill for it". It doesn't work that way. Say you decide to see only 50 patients per day. Obamacare shit plans are not going to magically pay you double for taking someone's pressure and temperature or going through a basic diagnostic check. The limit function here is that these plans are shit, they don't pay for quality care, they pay for delivering the fantasy of having medical care. Not to mention the horrible problems of Medicaid/Medicare. That's another half dozen paragraphs. Yes, everyone should have access to *quality* healthcare at a reasonable cost. No, that isn't possible if imbeciles in government make the decisions. These are the same people who, through incompetence and mismanagement can't seem to give us a world without war and misery. What makes anyone think they can actually deliver solid quality healthcare? BTW, my wife and her partners finally had enough. They launched a boutique medical care office. They provide high quality care at a reasonable price. Patients are well taken care of, employees make a sustainable salary and nobody has to engage in the soul-crushing practice of treating patients like cattle.

fakedang 3y ago

Honestly, if you have the time, just go abroad to India or Thailand and get a full body check up. Don't leave your medical conditions untreated. Considering the restrictions around getting medications in the US, these hospitals night already have ways for you to prescribe you stuff. Just stick to the reputed ones like Apollo or Narayana Hrudalaya in India or Bumrungrad in Thailand. Or if you can splurge the cash, go for non-resident treatment at an American hospital (which is arguably cheaper than the insurance-covered prices).