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It sounds like you had a project manager, not a product manager. A good product manager is very valuable.
by glimshe 3y ago
It sounds like you had a project manager, not a product manager. A good product manager is very valuable.
- ragestorm 3y agoAgree. Similar to a developer vs. SWE.
- boredtofears 3y agothere is no difference between a developer and an SWE except a fancy title
- willsmith72 3y agoDisagree. Project manager is extremely different to product. Dev vs SWE is completely arbitrary
- coldtrait 3y ago[dead]
- elicksaur 3y agoWhat do you see as the difference between a developer and a SWE?
- ipaddr 3y agoOne is DevOps and one is a programmer
- _rutinerad 3y agoThey’re both programmers and you can’t “be devops”.
- 59nadir 3y agoThe vast majority of my colleagues would say "that person is a devops" instead of "that person does devops", which I don't get at all. I've assumed it's some deeply rooted misunderstanding of language (my colleagues are eastern european) that has taken hold across the entire local industry.
- elicksaur 3y agoThat didn’t really clarify for me, which is which? What is DevOps to you? (Seems to be different for everyone) The wiki for “programmer” has “software developer, a software engineer, a programmer or a coder” as interchangeable terms in the first sentence. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programmer https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programmer
- starky 3y agoLast time I saw one of these types of articles on here it quickly became apparent that a lot of companies don't know the difference and call their project managers by the wrong name.
- koonsolo 3y agoPeople using "PM" is adding to the confusion.
- wombatpm 3y agoThat’s why I use PMP for Product Management Professional. Much clearer
- starky 3y agoThis adds to the confusion since Project Management Professional is a certification for a Project Manager that specifically uses that acronym and not all project managers have the certification.
- Loughla 3y agoFor what it's worth, I enjoyed that joke. I work in education and the number of redundant acronyms and initialisms (if that's a word) is astounding. BIT meeting on my calendar. Is it behavioral intervention team or something about the bachelor of information technology or Business Information technology or bachelor of industrial technology or are we talking about income taxes or what?
- elicksaur 3y agoIt seems like whoever named these titles did a poor job. They’re so close, can you blame people for not seeing a difference? What is a product but a large project anyways?
- alonsonic 3y agoA product manager is expected to view things from a business point of view. To identify features for the product and help it succeed in the market. A project manager is in charge of planing, execution and governance of a project. They don’t define any of the goals or vision. Saying product is a large project is a big over simplification. If we go that route anything could be called a “large project”.
- TeMPOraL 3y ago> Saying product is a large project is a big over simplification. If we go that route anything could be called a “large project”. Yes. That's precisely the point. What's the difference between "X manager" and a "project manager" when the X itself is obviously a project?
- kaibee 3y ago> in charge of planing, execution and governance of a project. They don’t define any of the goals or vision. This sounds like if you were trying to hire a race-car driver instead hired two people, and put one of them in charge of steering to the left and the other in charge of steering to the right.
- fnordpiglet 3y agoMost companies don’t understand what a product manager does, and they are busy eliminating project management roles in favor of an “agile” workflow, so they just repurpose the project managers to be product managers because it’s only two letters different. With predictable results.
- esafak 3y agoProject management was the role Larry Page once axed in 2001: https://medium.com/illumination/google-once-fired-all-managers-30f73e862ff4 https://medium.com/illumination/google-once-fired-all-manage...
- gardenhedge 3y agoSounds like he fired a type of project manager - one who controlled the team. A project manager can manager the team by supporting them and unblocking them while doing non-implementation type work such as managing and reporting the project's budget, managing and reporting progress and delivery aims.
- singron 3y agoGoogle currently has program managers (and technical program managers). I could not tell you the difference between them and product or project managers.