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What a long article to explain what could have been summarized in one phrase: "Kill every buffalo you can. Every dead buffalo is a dead Indian" That was the d
by 29athrowaway 3y ago
What a long article to explain what could have been summarized in one phrase:
"Kill every buffalo you can. Every dead buffalo is a dead Indian"
That was the de-facto policy of the US on the American bison.
An explicit policy of animal extermination to achieve human extermination. A policy that would later inspire the most horrible events of the 20th century.
The reason you don't know many Native Americans today, and most people you know either come from Europe, Africa or Asia but not here.
Everything else is revisionism, obfuscation, dillution of important events in oceans of irrelevant text, and waste of time.
Bisons were killed and their bones were processed into fertilizer.
- mylittlebrain 3y agoIs this view documented anywhere?
- 29athrowaway 3y agoDocumented every time you go outside and noone looks Native American in a continent where 100% of the population was once Native American. And where bisons were so numerous that roamed the land lifting so much dust that the sky turned dark.
- therealdrag0 3y agoThat’s poor reasoning there’s many things that reduced native populations. You can’t just pick one and claim it’s the most important without evidence.
- chiefalchemist 3y agoThere were a lot of bison. There were a lot of natives. The European outsiders all but eliminated both. No guilt. No respirations. What more do we need to know?
- therealdrag0 3y agoA lot lot lot more. It’s sad you think you can reduce complex history to two sentences and sad you don’t think correlations should be inspected for validity. You don’t think disease, land stealing, or war should be part of the picture?
- chiefalchemist 3y agoIt's sad you mucking in the details and ignoring the genocide. Reducing? Beats ignoring
- therealdrag0 3y agoWhat did I say that ignores the genocide?
- chiefalchemist 3y agoYou're not talking about it. You're using a classic deflection / distraction tactic. You also don't seem to be aware that history is not absolute. In this case, there are *at least* three lens: the genociders, the genocidees, and the buffalo / bison. You seem to be stuck on defending the genociders by demanding justification or some sort of analysis. But we know exactly what happened. We know why.
- therealdrag0 3y agoI'm afraid your reading comprehension needs work. My whole point is you seems to be reducing the genocide to a single event "buffalo killing". Whereas I'm trying to say there are MANY different genocidal impacts on the Native Americans. By the time the Americans had a program to slaughter the bison to get rid of the natives, many estimate the Native Americans had already lost 90% of their numbers. I'm not saying there was no genocide, I'm saying it was going on long before buffalo killing was used as a tool for it. And when someone asks for documentation (where this dispute started), it's unreasonable to claim "two things don't exist, therefor one caused the other". By the same logic I could say "the Tasmanian devil doesn't exist and Indians don't exist, therefore killing the Tasmanian devil was used to kill the Indians." what an absurd form of logic. Just because something is true, doesn't mean your logic or justification for it are valid or educating for others.
- hluska 3y agoI’m Canadian and Canada is part of the continent you’re talking about. I can’t go anywhere without running into indigenous people I know personally. Canada’s program of ethnic cleansing was several levels deeper than the United States but indigenous people are all over. Demographics suggest they will be the majority in my province before I die. The US experience does not speak for the entire continent.
- morelisp 3y agoYou seem to be... bragging about? or at least seeking recognition for? your country's policy of forced assimilation vs. another country's policy of forced removal. Aside from being a deeply weird thing to say, there's no buffalo left in either case.
- 29athrowaway 3y agoNow take a DNA sample for each one of the males and check the paternal haplogroup. That will tell you a story. Why so many of them have paternal haplogroup R (European)? (in some areas, with a frequency of up to 88% of males) What really means is that the natives you are running into are... you. What happened to the rest?
- bequanna 3y agoA good number of Native Americans in almost every place I’ve lived in the upper Midwest.
- OrvalWintermute 3y agoThis is not true as Native American can mean many things, and the fossil record for the Americas is richer in South America than it is North America, some of which may be in part due to the Smithsonian coverup. The Paiute tribes, and others, have stories about the long war they fought against the Si-Te-Cah which were giant red-headed cannibals, and there are samples from that war that still exist. The Choctaw similarly have stories of their wars against the Nahullo (white giants), similarly, that were cannibals, as do many other tribes. There have been many Smithsonian coverups of the well-reported giant findings https://grahamhancock.com/dewhurstr1/ https://grahamhancock.com/dewhurstr1/ and some of the skeletons are both the more ancient Giant Native American mound peoples (non-caucasian), and the described caucasian skulls. South America is replete with giant skulls and skeletons, some of which have characteristics fundamentally different from normal human skulls and are not merely headboarded infants. Many of these skulls have some similarities to the Mound people's giant skulls found in North America. Many of the skulls and DNA they've found are not simply North Asian, Eastern Asian and Southern Asian, but also show other groups history in the Americas too, such as the Australo-Melanesian findings https://sciencenordic.com/anthropology-archaeology-denmark/dna-links-native-americans-with-europeans/1393344 https://sciencenordic.com/anthropology-archaeology-denmark/d... https://www.science.org/content/article/mysterious-link-emerges-between-native-americans-and-people-half-globe-away https://www.science.org/content/article/mysterious-link-emer... https://www.sciencenews.org/article/ancient-dna-fossils-south-america-populated https://www.sciencenews.org/article/ancient-dna-fossils-sout... https://www.livescience.com/61319-dna-first-americans-lineage.html https://www.livescience.com/61319-dna-first-americans-lineag... https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/08/science/polynesian-ancestry.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/08/science/polynesian-ancest...
- morelisp 3y agoGraham Hancock citing Ralph Glidden! Hollow earth is next, right?
- morelisp 3y agoThis view is extremely well-documented, by literally every historical record, although the poster got the quote slightly wrong - it's "every buffalo dead is an Indian gone". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbus_Delano https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbus_Delano
- jahewson 3y agoI’m surprised more people don’t know about this - the US government promoted great hunting expeditions for this very goal. That said, 90% of native people died from diseases before any of this happened.