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The "she'll settle down in her 30s" is the wrong part of this plan. Women on her 30s fastly become lower on the totem pole than even men were in their early 20s

The "she'll settle down in her 30s" is the wrong part of this plan. Women on her 30s fastly become lower on the totem pole than even men were in their early 20s. Girls should be taught that, but nowadays its a faux pax to tell the biological truth to people. The same should be explained to boys: it will get better when your life starts to come together in your late 20s. It would make the lives of a huge percent of the population, both male and female, a lot happier.

lotsofpulp 3y ago
This is not secret information, people are just not likely to perfectly time the market (just like in financial markets). Who doesn’t like to believe they are on an upward path so maybe they will be able to do better?
- toomuchtodo 3y ago
  Then they should be taught earlier to get wealthy and successful first, not married, and be ready to buy when timing the market. Fairy tales are fiction, dating marketplaces are just as ruthless as capital markets. Get sophisticated fast and first. It doesn’t guarantee success (never assured!), but it will improve your odds.
  - lotsofpulp 3y ago
    Everyone knows that too. But obviously, everyone is not going to be wealthy, and everyone is not going to be “successful”, especially by their mid to late 20s. The question is, what are you willing to accept, both of yourself and the other person. The big wrench here is when a significant portion of the market accepts being single and pulls out of the market. Now you have a fundamental mismatch in the number of buyers/sellers, which is a nearly unsolvable problem, without getting into things like restricting people’s freedoms.
    - toomuchtodo 3y ago
      Strongly agree! At least if you’re wealthy/successful and alone, you have options, and is better than being poor and alone (imho). Relationships should be complimentary, not a critical component in one’s survival. There are 8 billion people in the world. With enough resources, you should be able to find someone somewhere to enjoy a time window of partnership or closeness. Accumulate resources, which gives you options, which leads to freedom (including freedom to find love [or your idea of healthy companionship]).
    - Der_Einzige 3y ago
      AI Waifus are about to solve that problem, and women are going to be the most negatively impacted. Expect attempts to regulate out this industry led by mostly women’s groups.
      - dragonwriter 3y ago
        > AI Waifus are about to solve that problem, and women are going to be the most negatively impacted. No, AI waifus are going to mostly impact incels meeting the strict etymology of the term, which, who knows, might make them somewhat less socially dangerous if not any less socially maladjusted. Sure, other people might toy with them, but no one who was having any success in the dating world is going to be taken out of it by them. > Expect attempts to regulate out this industry led by mostly women’s groups. Literally no one cares that the worst and least desirable men are going to entertain themselves with yet another form of fantasy of having a girlfriend, and other than where it involves using imagery of real people in a way that intersects with the kind of behavior addressed by revenge porn laws or otherwise involves material prohibited for reasons unrelated to the specific use in AI companions (simulated CSAM, for instance), I wouldn't expect any eftorts to regulate it on its own.
      - spacemadness 3y ago
        I have a very hard time believing heterosexual women are going to be negatively impacted by AI waifus. Thinking such things is a strong indicator one needs to go outside and touch grass.
geraldwhen 3y ago
I’ve worked with a number of 35+ year old women who think they will get married and have kids. Yeah, right. It’s too late. None of them did, and if they did, it would be at great risk to them and child. 35 + courtship period + marriage + 9 months = no kids.
- mcpackieh 3y ago
  Then a substantial portion of them become bitter and offer bad advice to younger women encouraging them follow in the same path, because misery loves company. Or because the sour grapes mentality has them conclude that they never actually wanted kids and their lonely spinster alcoholic lifestyle is actually what they wanted; they tell people they're happy and are models to be emulated. They set up a new generation for failure to validate themselves.
- underdeserver 3y ago
  This is false. Many women conceive and give birth at 37, 38. In some rare cases even later. If you only want one or two kids, this is doable.
  - geraldwhen 3y ago
    37 is a tight window if you meet someone at 35. And it’s still risky to both mother and child: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4418963/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4418963/ And “risky” here means potential of death or serious defect in child, or death for the mother. It’s irresponsible, unethical, and I don’t understand any parent that would risk the health of their child.
  - sbierwagen 3y ago
    Some can but most won't. https://images.theconversation.com/files/53777/original/2yc47rxd-1405334279.jpg https://images.theconversation.com/files/53777/original/2yc4... >If you only want one or two kids This is nuts. Remember, the minimum birth rate is 2.1. Every single woman you've ever met must have 2.1 children just to keep population constant. Every woman who decides to have one or two increases the burden on everyone else. Just think about the timeline here. Start having children at 35, have your third kid at 38? By the time your youngest is 18 you'll be 56! This is supposed to be the standard life plan, the thing everybody does? "What about immigration?" Mexico, Brazil and India already have below-replacement fertility. China, Japan and South Korea have been below replacement so long their populations are now rapidly shrinking. Where are all these immigrants supposed to come from?
Der_Einzige 3y ago
Men who have to have the “glow up” in their late 20s are going to spend that time acting ultra misogynistic to try to take revenge for their earlier life of being rejected. Seen this exact dynamic happen too often in SV circles. Billy the beta is usually not happy to be billy the beta, and given an opportunity, even billy will prove he’s had a latent fuckboy in him the whole time.

lotsofpulp 3y ago

This is not secret information, people are just not likely to perfectly time the market (just like in financial markets). Who doesn’t like to believe they are on an upward path so maybe they will be able to do better?

toomuchtodo 3y ago
Then they should be taught earlier to get wealthy and successful first, not married, and be ready to buy when timing the market. Fairy tales are fiction, dating marketplaces are just as ruthless as capital markets. Get sophisticated fast and first. It doesn’t guarantee success (never assured!), but it will improve your odds.
- lotsofpulp 3y ago
  Everyone knows that too. But obviously, everyone is not going to be wealthy, and everyone is not going to be “successful”, especially by their mid to late 20s. The question is, what are you willing to accept, both of yourself and the other person. The big wrench here is when a significant portion of the market accepts being single and pulls out of the market. Now you have a fundamental mismatch in the number of buyers/sellers, which is a nearly unsolvable problem, without getting into things like restricting people’s freedoms.
  - toomuchtodo 3y ago
    Strongly agree! At least if you’re wealthy/successful and alone, you have options, and is better than being poor and alone (imho). Relationships should be complimentary, not a critical component in one’s survival. There are 8 billion people in the world. With enough resources, you should be able to find someone somewhere to enjoy a time window of partnership or closeness. Accumulate resources, which gives you options, which leads to freedom (including freedom to find love [or your idea of healthy companionship]).
  - Der_Einzige 3y ago
    AI Waifus are about to solve that problem, and women are going to be the most negatively impacted. Expect attempts to regulate out this industry led by mostly women’s groups.
    - dragonwriter 3y ago
      > AI Waifus are about to solve that problem, and women are going to be the most negatively impacted. No, AI waifus are going to mostly impact incels meeting the strict etymology of the term, which, who knows, might make them somewhat less socially dangerous if not any less socially maladjusted. Sure, other people might toy with them, but no one who was having any success in the dating world is going to be taken out of it by them. > Expect attempts to regulate out this industry led by mostly women’s groups. Literally no one cares that the worst and least desirable men are going to entertain themselves with yet another form of fantasy of having a girlfriend, and other than where it involves using imagery of real people in a way that intersects with the kind of behavior addressed by revenge porn laws or otherwise involves material prohibited for reasons unrelated to the specific use in AI companions (simulated CSAM, for instance), I wouldn't expect any eftorts to regulate it on its own.
    - spacemadness 3y ago
      I have a very hard time believing heterosexual women are going to be negatively impacted by AI waifus. Thinking such things is a strong indicator one needs to go outside and touch grass.

geraldwhen 3y ago

I’ve worked with a number of 35+ year old women who think they will get married and have kids. Yeah, right. It’s too late. None of them did, and if they did, it would be at great risk to them and child. 35 + courtship period + marriage + 9 months = no kids.

mcpackieh 3y ago
Then a substantial portion of them become bitter and offer bad advice to younger women encouraging them follow in the same path, because misery loves company. Or because the sour grapes mentality has them conclude that they never actually wanted kids and their lonely spinster alcoholic lifestyle is actually what they wanted; they tell people they're happy and are models to be emulated. They set up a new generation for failure to validate themselves.
underdeserver 3y ago
This is false. Many women conceive and give birth at 37, 38. In some rare cases even later. If you only want one or two kids, this is doable.
- geraldwhen 3y ago
  37 is a tight window if you meet someone at 35. And it’s still risky to both mother and child: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4418963/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4418963/ And “risky” here means potential of death or serious defect in child, or death for the mother. It’s irresponsible, unethical, and I don’t understand any parent that would risk the health of their child.
- sbierwagen 3y ago
  Some can but most won't. https://images.theconversation.com/files/53777/original/2yc47rxd-1405334279.jpg https://images.theconversation.com/files/53777/original/2yc4... >If you only want one or two kids This is nuts. Remember, the minimum birth rate is 2.1. Every single woman you've ever met must have 2.1 children just to keep population constant. Every woman who decides to have one or two increases the burden on everyone else. Just think about the timeline here. Start having children at 35, have your third kid at 38? By the time your youngest is 18 you'll be 56! This is supposed to be the standard life plan, the thing everybody does? "What about immigration?" Mexico, Brazil and India already have below-replacement fertility. China, Japan and South Korea have been below replacement so long their populations are now rapidly shrinking. Where are all these immigrants supposed to come from?

Der_Einzige 3y ago

Men who have to have the “glow up” in their late 20s are going to spend that time acting ultra misogynistic to try to take revenge for their earlier life of being rejected. Seen this exact dynamic happen too often in SV circles. Billy the beta is usually not happy to be billy the beta, and given an opportunity, even billy will prove he’s had a latent fuckboy in him the whole time.