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> There's a reason the biggest tech companies hire the best [..] for significant sums - they are worth it. No. The amount they pay is a function of supply and

by cj 3y ago

> There's a reason the biggest tech companies hire the best [..] for significant sums - they are worth it. No. The amount they pay is a function of supply and demand of workers and the necessity of filling the position within the company. > Software engineers aren't illiterate construction workers. Construction workers have the ability to build and destroy buildings probably more easily than SWEs can build or destroy companies. Just like a skyscraper is more than just concrete and steel, a software company is way more than just code.

meiraleal 3y ago
> No. The amount they pay is a function of supply and demand of workers and the necessity of filling the position within the company. And juniors are getting paid above 100k usd. Deal with it. > Construction workers have the ability to build and destroy buildings probably more easily than SWEs can build or destroy companies. Sure but they would go to jail. The programmers that destroyed companies by creating better open source alternatives not only didn't go to jail but managed to build multi-million dollar businesses. Which then becomes too big at some point and ready to be disrupted again.
- cj 3y ago
  > The programmers that destroyed companies by creating better open source alternatives not only didn't go to jail but managed to build multi-million dollar businesses. Which then becomes too big at some point and ready to be disrupted again. I’m not sure what your point is. Isn’t this a good thing? Lots of opportunity for you to leverage the full value of your skillset to maximize your earning potential by starting a company, being your own boss, set your own work schedule, etc. (Re: junior devs, $120k is fine for junior, I was recollecting a thread with people saying $160k is more appropriate for juniors which IMO is absurd.)
  - averageRoyalty 3y ago
    $120k USD is triple the median and double the average wage of the highest paying countries in the world. It's not "fine", it's absolutely absurd and puts a junior into the top 20% of earners _globally_. It's grossly overpaid, and people need to appreciate that more.
    - holden_nelson 3y ago
      That, to me, says more about how other professions are underpaid, or perhaps just that software creates a lot of value. The work my team is directly responsible for generates tens of millions of dollars for my company - 120k feels appropriate.
      - averageRoyalty 3y ago
        I think the latter more than the former. People forget that software and the internet in whole are a relatively new industry and area. Throughout most of the world (including most of the US), $120k a year is enough to buy and fully pay off a mortgage on a house in a city in < 10 years - even after tax.

by cj 3y ago

meiraleal 3y ago

> No. The amount they pay is a function of supply and demand of workers and the necessity of filling the position within the company. And juniors are getting paid above 100k usd. Deal with it. > Construction workers have the ability to build and destroy buildings probably more easily than SWEs can build or destroy companies. Sure but they would go to jail. The programmers that destroyed companies by creating better open source alternatives not only didn't go to jail but managed to build multi-million dollar businesses. Which then becomes too big at some point and ready to be disrupted again.

cj 3y ago
> The programmers that destroyed companies by creating better open source alternatives not only didn't go to jail but managed to build multi-million dollar businesses. Which then becomes too big at some point and ready to be disrupted again. I’m not sure what your point is. Isn’t this a good thing? Lots of opportunity for you to leverage the full value of your skillset to maximize your earning potential by starting a company, being your own boss, set your own work schedule, etc. (Re: junior devs, $120k is fine for junior, I was recollecting a thread with people saying $160k is more appropriate for juniors which IMO is absurd.)
- averageRoyalty 3y ago
  $120k USD is triple the median and double the average wage of the highest paying countries in the world. It's not "fine", it's absolutely absurd and puts a junior into the top 20% of earners _globally_. It's grossly overpaid, and people need to appreciate that more.
  - holden_nelson 3y ago
    That, to me, says more about how other professions are underpaid, or perhaps just that software creates a lot of value. The work my team is directly responsible for generates tens of millions of dollars for my company - 120k feels appropriate.
    - averageRoyalty 3y ago
      I think the latter more than the former. People forget that software and the internet in whole are a relatively new industry and area. Throughout most of the world (including most of the US), $120k a year is enough to buy and fully pay off a mortgage on a house in a city in < 10 years - even after tax.