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Poland woke up a while ago, now others are following. Russia is a major threat to European security.

by glimshe 3y ago

jeltz 3y ago
Sweden woke up in 2014. Probably not enough waking up but the invasion of Crimea changed a lot here.
- Gud 3y ago
  Not really. The Swedish armed forces are still incredibly underfunded and understaffed.
ekianjo 3y ago
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- flohofwoe 3y ago
  Not that bullshit again please. Show the treaty where anything about Eastern NATO expansion was said, anything written and signed? The only thing that's close is that there would be no foreign troups stationed in East Germany, this was a Soviet condition to agree to the reunification (and guess what, there aren't any to this day). NATO isn't forcing countries under their umbrella, countries apply to join NATO instead.
  - bjornsing 3y ago
    > NATO isn't forcing countries under their umbrella, countries apply to join NATO instead. Exactly. The whole Russian narrative is based on the idea that the sovereign states in its vicinity shouldn’t really be sovereign when it comes to military or economic alliances (e.g. EU). A lot of people in the west are doing a great disservice to a rule based world order by entertaining that narrative as rational and respectable.
- _kbh_ 3y ago
  > Especially since NATO tries to expand to Ukraine despite saying it would not for decades. The irony here being that no one promised anything to Russia regarding in any actionable way. But Russia has multiple treaties where they say they will respect the borders and sovereignty of Ukraine. If those treaties don’t matter to Russia why should any made up promises regarding NATO matter to anyone else.
diath 3y ago
What do you mean? There's no mandatory conscription in Poland since 2010.
- glimshe 3y ago
  It already had a healthy % of the GDP dedicated to defense, and is increasing further.
quantum_state 3y ago
Russia has been made into a major threat to European security …
- tg180 3y ago
  Sure, all Europeans asked to be invaded after all! I'm pretty confident it could be a continent of crazy sadistics who wants to die and live in slavery ... IMHO you should elaborate, sentences like this are easily misunderstood

Poland woke up a while ago, now others are following. Russia is a major threat to European security.

jeltz 3y ago

Sweden woke up in 2014. Probably not enough waking up but the invasion of Crimea changed a lot here.

Gud 3y ago
Not really. The Swedish armed forces are still incredibly underfunded and understaffed.

ekianjo 3y ago

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flohofwoe 3y ago
Not that bullshit again please. Show the treaty where anything about Eastern NATO expansion was said, anything written and signed? The only thing that's close is that there would be no foreign troups stationed in East Germany, this was a Soviet condition to agree to the reunification (and guess what, there aren't any to this day). NATO isn't forcing countries under their umbrella, countries apply to join NATO instead.
- bjornsing 3y ago
  > NATO isn't forcing countries under their umbrella, countries apply to join NATO instead. Exactly. The whole Russian narrative is based on the idea that the sovereign states in its vicinity shouldn’t really be sovereign when it comes to military or economic alliances (e.g. EU). A lot of people in the west are doing a great disservice to a rule based world order by entertaining that narrative as rational and respectable.
_kbh_ 3y ago
> Especially since NATO tries to expand to Ukraine despite saying it would not for decades. The irony here being that no one promised anything to Russia regarding in any actionable way. But Russia has multiple treaties where they say they will respect the borders and sovereignty of Ukraine. If those treaties don’t matter to Russia why should any made up promises regarding NATO matter to anyone else.

diath 3y ago

What do you mean? There's no mandatory conscription in Poland since 2010.

glimshe 3y ago
It already had a healthy % of the GDP dedicated to defense, and is increasing further.

quantum_state 3y ago

Russia has been made into a major threat to European security …

tg180 3y ago
Sure, all Europeans asked to be invaded after all! I'm pretty confident it could be a continent of crazy sadistics who wants to die and live in slavery ... IMHO you should elaborate, sentences like this are easily misunderstood