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There is probably a lot of bias with these two companies - one is a bespoke software company , and the other a bespoke woodcraft company. At a glance, the soft

There is probably a lot of bias with these two companies - one is a bespoke software company , and the other a bespoke woodcraft company. At a glance, the software company produces native apps for iOS and Android, rather than React Native, which to me seems indicative of attention to detail. People with that mindset tend to want it in others, and will believe it to be the cause of successful relationships. I say this as someone with precisely the same belief. I’ve no idea if it’s causal, correlated, or simply a coincidence that my brain sees as a pattern, but for the moment I’m convinced it’s at the very least correlated.

Simon_ORourke 3y ago
> People with that mindset tend to want it in others Totally agree, but folks like that will run into the "it won't scale" types and get frustrated with their corner cutting ways for the sake of future scaling opportunities.
- sgarland 3y ago
  Or worse, they run into people who have neither belief and are just yeeting shit into prod because it works well enough. Then all three sides fight and nothing gets done.
contrarian1234 3y ago
Aren't native Java apps on Android effectively deprecated? I feel last I looked Google just pushed Flutter/Dart. I was thinking to try to get a Clojure application ported to Android (it uses a lot of Java libs under the hood) and .. I got the impression nobody uses Java anymore! Though, to start with, it was bit unclear if Clojure still doesn't run on ART/Dalvik/whateveritscallednow
- Permik 3y ago
  Nah, It's ART still underneath so anything that compiles to JVM will compile to ART, so Java is never dying. On the Flutter side, it's just another cross platform toolkit like React Native, but a la Google, and won't/can't replace the years and years of Java development. But the current and foreseeable future Kotlin will be the Java successor because of its JVM/Java compatibility, ecosystem and ease of use. For a while some of the new committed code in Android has been Kotlin.
  - contrarian1234 3y ago
    So the Java API is deprecated and replaced by a Kotlin one? I guess both are on the JVM so there is a migration path... Well except Google's Java is like version 1.5 or 8 - while Oracle Java has kept moving forward and has many more features at this point as far as I understand. I think this was the crux of the issue for running Clojure. I don't know the Java lib compatibility story tbh. I imagine many libraries won't run on Android
- flutas 3y ago
  Java and Kotlin are still the vast majority of apps, and what's being pushed the hardest in the industry. Kotlin especially with Jetpack Compose for UI.

Simon_ORourke 3y ago

> People with that mindset tend to want it in others Totally agree, but folks like that will run into the "it won't scale" types and get frustrated with their corner cutting ways for the sake of future scaling opportunities.

sgarland 3y ago
Or worse, they run into people who have neither belief and are just yeeting shit into prod because it works well enough. Then all three sides fight and nothing gets done.

contrarian1234 3y ago

Aren't native Java apps on Android effectively deprecated? I feel last I looked Google just pushed Flutter/Dart. I was thinking to try to get a Clojure application ported to Android (it uses a lot of Java libs under the hood) and .. I got the impression nobody uses Java anymore! Though, to start with, it was bit unclear if Clojure still doesn't run on ART/Dalvik/whateveritscallednow

Permik 3y ago
Nah, It's ART still underneath so anything that compiles to JVM will compile to ART, so Java is never dying. On the Flutter side, it's just another cross platform toolkit like React Native, but a la Google, and won't/can't replace the years and years of Java development. But the current and foreseeable future Kotlin will be the Java successor because of its JVM/Java compatibility, ecosystem and ease of use. For a while some of the new committed code in Android has been Kotlin.
- contrarian1234 3y ago
  So the Java API is deprecated and replaced by a Kotlin one? I guess both are on the JVM so there is a migration path... Well except Google's Java is like version 1.5 or 8 - while Oracle Java has kept moving forward and has many more features at this point as far as I understand. I think this was the crux of the issue for running Clojure. I don't know the Java lib compatibility story tbh. I imagine many libraries won't run on Android
flutas 3y ago
Java and Kotlin are still the vast majority of apps, and what's being pushed the hardest in the industry. Kotlin especially with Jetpack Compose for UI.