5 ms·
Unfortunately this needs to happen in all nato countries. The bells of war in europe are ringing again.
by gumballindie 3y ago
Unfortunately this needs to happen in all nato countries. The bells of war in europe are ringing again.
- jeltz 3y agoSweden already did this in 2914 as a response to the annexat0on of Crimea.
- a1o 3y agoIt's comforting to know we will be alive in 2914.
- sys_64738 3y agoYeah, no. There is no way I'd ever sign up to fight somebody else's war requirements. Let those who dream it up make the sacrifice with their male heirs. My life it too important, short in length, and valuable for such garbage.
- qiqitori 3y agoUpvoted from a super fast downvote; same here.
- RandomLensman 3y agoAll those who served or fought before are idiots? Nothing ever worth defending?
- acadapter 3y agoThere are countless examples of wars were many have sacrificed themselves for nothing. WW1 is probably the prime example. Of course, while it all was happening, it was commonly described as the most important thing to do.
- RandomLensman 3y agoAnd there were other wars where sacrifices are not seen as pointless. So, never defend anything?
- codedokode 3y agoWhat about a war to not let communists come into power in a country across the ocean? Is it worth dying for?
- RandomLensman 3y agoDepends, certainly how South Korea looks like today, you could say that was a success by some measures. I don't think you can really get utilitarian here, but rather societies form views around their wars.
- codedokode 3y agoThe point of war usually is not to make a country successful; the point of imperialistic wars is not to let the enemy have the country.
- RandomLensman 3y agoThe UN approved military action in Korea was an imperialistic war? Your view is also very short-term, not sure everyone subscribes to that.
- OfSanguineFire 3y agoWorld War I is frequently depicted as a pointless war in e.g. the UK and France because of the massive number of deaths in trench warfare for just a few meters of ground. However, some Eastern Europe peoples view the war as quite a benefit due to the terms that were imposed on the losers. The modern Czech Republic, Slovakia, Croatia, Serbia, Romania, etc. would not have existed if the Austro-Hungarian Empire hadn’t lost the war.
- ekianjo 3y ago> fought before are idiots? I don't think they had a choice and the deads don't speak, do they
- RandomLensman 3y agoThere were sometimes more, sometimes less choices. Btw., the living speak (and we also know a good deal about what the dead thought) - not everyone dies in a war.
- ekianjo 3y ago> not everyone dies in a war. Survivorship bias. What you will hear will be mostly skewed towards it not being so bad because the guys who speak about it survived and ended up having fuller lives. The dead would probably have a very different opinion if they could say anything.
- RandomLensman 3y agoAs I said, we know a lot about what soldiers thought, including the ones who died. (And by far not everyone who fought in a war and survived thinks it wasn't so bad - not sure how you even think that.)
- hexomancer 3y agoThat's where the "mandatory" in the mandatory military service comes in (btw, I agree with your sentiment that it is stupid, the point is that you can't just not do it, you will be forced to).
- mrob 3y agoNobody can force me to fight. Maybe I would get imprisoned, maybe I would get executed, but whatever happens, it's my moral duty to ensure that whoever attempted to force me into military slavery does not benefit from the attempt, and as a conscript I would have very little to lose.
- dvh 3y agoSo basically you'll wait for Russian occupation and then get conscripted to Russian army.
- ekianjo 3y ago> The bells of war in europe are ringing again. They are only ringing if you agitate the bell