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Well I'm from germany, working for a quite large software shop. Windows is definitely going away. Ten years ago Windows Apps had around 50% of devs allocated, n

Well I'm from germany, working for a quite large software shop. Windows is definitely going away. Ten years ago Windows Apps had around 50% of devs allocated, now it's down to at most 15%, dying quite fast. Even the windows devs use mostly WSL tools where they exist. SaaS is the future, and Windows didn't find its place in that space.

pjmlp 3y ago
I am also located in Germany, and there are plenty of Windows jobs, it no accident that Germany is still one of the markets that is relevant for products like Delphi, with an annual conference. Many SaaS products like Sitecore power several Mittelstand companies.
- vkazanov 3y ago
  Well, Germany is not exactly a powerhouse of IT innovation these days. I took a few week-long professional courses related to low-level stuff in Munich and elsewhere in Germany, and it felt as is most other students were either working in finance or car making industries. Both industries are conservative (for a good reason), and generally lag behind the mainstream by at least 10 years. I am not even saying Silicon Valley maintream, no. It's more like moving from pure embedded to Linux, or replacing a 30-40 year old OS with Linux. A lot of Windows machines. To explain why this feelt so strange to me. In London, UK outside of City any decent IT company looks like the following: developers use either Mac or Linux machines (4 to 1); non-technical or semi-technical audience (HR, DevRels, marketing, design, etc) uses Macs; finance and legal teams mostly use Windows. Technically speaking, all backends, all of compute, everything is based on Linux. On-prem, cloud, whatever - always Linux. So for somebody wanting to stick with Windows WSL becomes a necessity.
  - pjmlp 3y ago
    Well, I know of several companies in Wales doing Windows development.
  - alkonaut 3y ago
    That’s the thing though: software development isn’t IT innovation. Most software is probably written at companies that aren’t primarily software companies. It’s done in traditional firms in manufacturing, banks, mining, whatever. Even if Germany continues to be less prominent in the software industry, more software lines of code will be written in Germany every year. The thing about windows is that even when 100% of developers left it, most non-devs will still use it. So if you make software for them, you are going to need it. I make a cad program. We can’t really leave Windows and even doing multi platform or web based make financial sense.

pjmlp 3y ago

I am also located in Germany, and there are plenty of Windows jobs, it no accident that Germany is still one of the markets that is relevant for products like Delphi, with an annual conference. Many SaaS products like Sitecore power several Mittelstand companies.

vkazanov 3y ago
Well, Germany is not exactly a powerhouse of IT innovation these days. I took a few week-long professional courses related to low-level stuff in Munich and elsewhere in Germany, and it felt as is most other students were either working in finance or car making industries. Both industries are conservative (for a good reason), and generally lag behind the mainstream by at least 10 years. I am not even saying Silicon Valley maintream, no. It's more like moving from pure embedded to Linux, or replacing a 30-40 year old OS with Linux. A lot of Windows machines. To explain why this feelt so strange to me. In London, UK outside of City any decent IT company looks like the following: developers use either Mac or Linux machines (4 to 1); non-technical or semi-technical audience (HR, DevRels, marketing, design, etc) uses Macs; finance and legal teams mostly use Windows. Technically speaking, all backends, all of compute, everything is based on Linux. On-prem, cloud, whatever - always Linux. So for somebody wanting to stick with Windows WSL becomes a necessity.
- pjmlp 3y ago
  Well, I know of several companies in Wales doing Windows development.
- alkonaut 3y ago
  That’s the thing though: software development isn’t IT innovation. Most software is probably written at companies that aren’t primarily software companies. It’s done in traditional firms in manufacturing, banks, mining, whatever. Even if Germany continues to be less prominent in the software industry, more software lines of code will be written in Germany every year. The thing about windows is that even when 100% of developers left it, most non-devs will still use it. So if you make software for them, you are going to need it. I make a cad program. We can’t really leave Windows and even doing multi platform or web based make financial sense.