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IPv6 Ready Logo Program
- its-summertime 3y agohttps://old.reddit.com/domain/ipv6forum.com/ https://old.reddit.com/domain/ipv6forum.com/ https://old.reddit.com/search?q=ipv6+forum https://old.reddit.com/search?q=ipv6+forum And nothing on HN. Seems just as focused on cryptocurrency as is focused on IPv6
- daveoc64 3y agoI can't see many manufacturers wanting to have a logo that looks like it's from the '90s on their packaging.
- zinekeller 3y agoActually, this logo is indeed old (not just design nostalgia). Says a lot on how IPv6 has fared in the past two decades.
- supertrope 3y agoI’ve seen it on a laser printer manual.
- lambdaone 3y agoWhat a terrible logo design, and semingly no real buy-in from any major organization. I'm not surprised this doesn't have any traction. I think an IPv6-compliance logo scheme would be a good idea, but it should be driven by major commercial vendors like Apple, Microsoft, Google etc on the software side, and supported by industry forums like the WiFi Alliance and the GSM Association on the hardware side. I would love to be able to ditch IPv4 entirely for running large production networks. I think Apple have already started to enforce IPv6 support on iOS apps. It would also be interesting to audit open source projects for IPv6 support; just the presence of the appropriate API calls would probably be sufficient for a first hack to tell the difference between IPv6-compliant and non-IPv6 compliant applications. This would allow influential distros like Debian to start the process of deprecating old software which is incapable of working properly with modern networks.
- V__ 3y agoI'm really uncertain if this is not just some joke page. But I went to the ipv6 Forums page [1] und they have even more horrible logos/certificates and their websites looks like it might be made bevore ipv1 was a thing... [1] https://www.ipv6forum.com/ https://www.ipv6forum.com/
- djaychela 3y agoComplete with animated GIF version of the logo with rotating globe! That page is genuinely one of the worst I've seen in a long time... My wife thinks the logo looks like a CAPTCHA!
- MarkSweep 3y agoAnd somehow double tapping on the logos to zoom in in Safari on iOS 17.1 crashes the tab.
- Dalewyn 3y agoXHTML1.1, to give an idea who wrote that. And it's not even valid XHTML either, with <br> tags that aren't closed and missing closing tags every so often. Gonna say, I miss this era of the internet. It had character and a soul we just don't see anymore.
- cassianoleal 3y ago> What a terrible logo design Looks like something right out of MS WordArt from the 90s.
- rgbrenner 3y agoThe about page says the logos have been available since 2003/2005. It looks exactly like a logo from 2003.. so I don't think it's terrible at the time it was designed... it's just dated. Old 2007 whitepaper: https://www.ipv6forum.com/dl/white/IPv6_Ready_Logo_White_Paper_Final.pdf https://www.ipv6forum.com/dl/white/IPv6_Ready_Logo_White_Pap... 2005 paper on getting the logo cert for the Linux kernel: https://landley.net/kdocs/ols/2005/ols2005v2-pages-291-298.pdf https://landley.net/kdocs/ols/2005/ols2005v2-pages-291-298.p... If you look at the approved products page and sort by date, you'll see Samsung, IBM, Cisco, Intel, ZTE, Nokia and lots of other tech companies--software and hardware. So clearly they were involved early on.
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- Waterluvian 3y agoI think the reason this never gains any user mindshare while other technologies like 802.11<x> or 5G do is because ipv6 doesn’t actually change anything about the user experience. So why would they bother putting it on the marketing material? I think that’s the chief reason it’s failed to catch on at any meaningful rate. It may be good overall or have long-term effects, but if any one typical use asked you, “what will be different for me if I buy this?” there’s no answer.
- Galanwe 3y ago> I think the reason this never gains any user mindshare [...] is ipv6 doesn’t actually change anything about the user experience Lots of purely technical things which have no impact on user experience take over old technologies. The issue with IPv6 is that it has no visible impact on users -_and_ it's a major paradigm shift in terms of complexity and addressing scheme compared to v4. Every year I secretly hope some major consortium with traction release "IPv4 2.0" with 8 bytes and get done with it.
- p1mrx 3y ago> release "IPv4 2.0" with 8 bytes and get done with it. I think you mean "get started with it"? It's not easy to win against a competitor with a 25 year head start.
- throw0101a 3y ago> Every year I secretly hope some major consortium with traction release "IPv4 2.0" with 8 bytes and get done with it. How exactly would this work? IPv4 data structures have four bytes/octets (4B) for addresses. So how do you fit 8B of addresses in 4B structures? You don't. So you have to update every network element—host (desktop, laptop, mobile, embedded), router, switch, firewall—to have a new data structure (and maybe new function/system calls, as the old ones assume the old structures). So all devices have to have updated network stacks, including long-lived ones that sometimes are not touched for a decade+. And not just pure networking code: anything that touches (e.g.) DNS as well, as A records are 4B-only as well, so you need a new record type and deploy new DNS server and resolver code everywhere. But of course if you have a 4B-only network elements/devices, they cannot talk to 8B-only devices/services, so you have to create translation mechanisms because some devices may not yet have the update 8B-capable network stack. And sometimes an 8B network is an island in a sea of 4B, so you have to have tunneling. Of course some may have both 4B and 8B, and want to talk to something has also has 4B and 8B, so now you have to have code for source/destination selection. Those are the exact same challenges as with the IPv6 roll-out. And of course "IPv4 1.0" continues to work, so what motivation is there for going to your "2.0"—just like what motivation is/was there for going to IPv6 when IPv4 is/was 'working'? See "TCP and UDP with Bigger Addresses (TUBA), A Simple Proposal for Internet Addressing and Routing" for part of the discussion from back in the day (1993): * https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc1347 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc1347
- IAmGraydon 3y agoAnd now my retinas has committed seppuku.
- ajsnigrutin 3y agoIsn't this ancient? I saw a logo like this many, many years ago, and the ipv6 support was still really really shitty (eg. firewall for ipv4 being full-featured while one checkmark existed for ipv6 - pass through everythong or nothing). EU has some financing rules, where in many cases, you cannot buy any equipment with public money if it doesn't support IPv6, and RIPE-554 (now 722 - https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-772 https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-772 ) was written just to avoid the "ipv6 ready" devices... so many tenders had a ripe 554/722 requirement written in back then (now it doesn't really matter, since most of equipment adequately supports ipv6, at least the stuff from "big vendors". edit: yeah, right from the ripe772 : "While the Logo certification was devised around 20 years ago..."
- ahmedfromtunis 3y agoThat logo is not only ugly, but functionally deficient when it comes to hardware. This design can only be applied to equipments as a sticker as it is impossible to directly imprint into the mold. Not only this increases the cost (negligible, I know), but for devices that are meant to be used for years, it will just degrade and won't be as visible.
- vkdelta 3y agoThis program has existed since past decade and not many router manufacturers cared about it. Customers wouldn’t pay extra for this logo and there is not value for this cert.
- dehrmann 3y agoWhy would I pay extra when IPv4 has at least another decade of life?
- jeroenhd 3y agoSeveral countries are mandating IPv6 support for government projects, validated IPv6 capabilities are useful if you're shopping for a compliant device. There are more extreme examples. For example, China is banning IPv4 for new networks at the end of this year: https://www.theregister.com/2021/07/26/china_single_stack_ipv6_notice/ https://www.theregister.com/2021/07/26/china_single_stack_ip... In two years, certain sectors in China must be using IPv6 regardless of network age: https://brandergroup.net/2021/09/chinas-plan-to-begin-eliminating-ipv4-address-usage-in-2023/ https://brandergroup.net/2021/09/chinas-plan-to-begin-elimin... Other countries aren't that strict in IPv6 enforcement, but it's only a matter of time before they will be.
- cube00 3y agoWhat's IR6? /s
- recursive 3y agoI would specifically make my product non-conformant if it meant I didn't need to include that logo.
- Exuma 3y agoAn absolutely comically bad logo design. I mean, that is worse than atrocious. If you're going to attempt to design something, at least possess the intellect to know that you must be good at what you're spearheading. Just looking at the horrible logo mashed into the header that is 100% illegible because its like 50px wide is all you need to know.
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- pkkm 3y agoSince we're already talking about IPv6, I'll take the opportunity to bring up a topic I've been thinking about recently. If they were already redesigning the IP protocol, why didn't the creators of IPv6 ensure good support for multiple/changing IP addresses? For example, couldn't they have extended port numbers to 128 or 256 bits and recommended that IP flows be identified just by the pair (source port, destination port) instead of the current (source IP, source port, destination IP, destination port)? That would make it possible, for instance, to start a HTTP upload via an LTE modem but finish it on WiFi without interrupting the connection.
- Faaak 3y agoHow do you route all these IP addresses to the correct destination ? Actually all the IPv6 prefixes are know to all big routers (ASes, but that's getting technical). It's called the default free zone and it is growing by the day. The more non-aggregatable IPs, the more space on the route table of routers is occupied. And this space is really expensive
- jeroenhd 3y ago> multiple/changing IP addresses IPv6 supports multiple methods of multi-homing. > For example, couldn't they have extended port numbers to 128 or 256 bits and recommended that IP flows be identified just by the pair (source port, destination port) instead of the current (source IP, source port, destination IP, destination port)? Port numbers aren't part of the IP layer. Regardless, IPv6 contains a 20 bit flow label (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc6437 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc6437) that can be used to indicate a specific (sub)connection. I don't think it's ever used, though. > That would make it possible, for instance, to start a HTTP upload via an LTE modem but finish it on WiFi without interrupting the connection. That's already technically possible, but not in the IP layer. Multi-path TCP solves this problem exactly how you would think, by agreeing on an identifier between two hosts and performing a handshake over an alternate route using that key. iOS uses it by default for various services. This can even be used to bundle the connection (upload over LTE and WiFi at the same time for maximum network speed) or theoretically to do weird stuff like upload over ethernet and download over WiFi. Sadly, many Android devices still run old Linux kernels so MPTCP is disabled on there by default, though more recent devices should support it just fine. Many networked clients also don't use it, though I'm not sure why; it's just an option flag in TCP, if the network is fucked up by corporate middleboxes, the connection will just behave like a normal connection. If you're ever writing a TCP server or client, consider enabling MPTCP by default!
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- samrus 3y agoThey need to make it look better, they're scaring the hoes with that logo
- paradox460 3y agoLooks vaguely like the motel 6 logo
- ChrisArchitect 3y ago(2002)?