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> But it really is true that Hamas uses human shields. It really is true that they place bases in places like hospitals. Then don't fucking bomb it. You're def

> But it really is true that Hamas uses human shields. It really is true that they place bases in places like hospitals. Then don't fucking bomb it. You're defending war crimes and terrorism.

edanm 3y ago
> Then don't fucking bomb it. You're defending war crimes and terrorism. 1. It's not a war crime. If one side places their militants in a hospital, the hospital is no longer afforded protection. If anyone is commiting war crimes, it's Hamas, by placing their HQ in a hospital. 2. As much as I'd love to not bomb anybody, they are actively at this moment shooting rockets at me. What exactly should I do? Just wait until they inevitably manage to kill me?
- matsemann 3y ago
  2. Who are "they" shooting rockets at you? The children you're killing? The civilians in a hospital getting treatment form previous bombings? I stand by my statement. You're defending war crimes and terrorism. It's what it is, no matter how justified you believe it is to kill these innocent people.
  - edanm 3y ago
    > Who are "they" shooting rockets at you? The children you're killing? The civilians in a hospital getting treatment form previous bombings? The Hamas militants that are using hospitals as a base of operations. If you honestly want to discuss this, then here's my suggestion - let's set aside the factual question for a second. If it's true that Hamas is firing rockets from within hospitals and/or using hospitals as a base of operations, would you then consider it justified to attack back? If yes, then we just have the factual matter of whether it's true or not and we can check that. If no, then my followup question is - so what should we do? What other option is there if someone is firing rockets at you right now, if you refuse to fire back? I'm asking in all sincerity, I'm literally running to a bomb shelter multiple times a day as rockets are fired at me, is there something you think is ok for my government to do to try and defend me?
    - matsemann 3y ago
      What your government could do? Perhaps stop the occupation and killings of Palestinians. I think you would find that the innocent people being killed by your bombs don't really want to fight, they just want to live their life in peace. I can't fathom how you can justify bombing thousands of children just because some operation is carried out from somewhere in the city. I mean, what is it now, 3000 children in a matter of days being killed by Israel? But sure, killing them is probably "defending you"..
      - lobocinza 3y ago
        Perhaps Hamas could stop using their own population as human shields, vacate from hospitals, let Palestinians leave the north of Gaza and release the hostages. But they will never do that. They will keep using Palestinians as meat shield and their deaths as propaganda, diverting humanitarian aid to fund terrorism, using women as terrorist bombers, telling children to thrown rocks (which are deadly) at IDF soldiers so they as "martyrs" and sabotaging any possibility of peace because peace is an existential threat for Hamas.
        matsemann 3y ago
        Then I resort to my original comment: Then just not fucking bomb the children. Their blood is on Israeli hands just as much as Hamas, don't try to weasel out of it. That you're comparing children throwing rocks to using advanced military equipment to bomb them back says a lot about your values. As if doing the first in any way excuses doing the second.. A child being told to throw rocks doesn't know any better, and doesn't deserve to die for it. Holy crap some of you are out of touch with humanity.
        lobocinza 3y ago
        So what do you suggest? That Israelis do nothing? It doesn't matter if it's a huge rock to the head or a laser beam as both are lethal. Unless you have a realistic suggestion of the IDF should do differently you're just being a coward, signaling virtue without having to be virtuous from the comfort of your home. > Then just not fucking bomb the children. Do you think the IDF is purposefully looking for children to bomb so they can look bad? Hamas use children as human shield and their deaths as propaganda. Do you want to help Palestinian children? Condemn Hamas for using children as shield. Condemn Iran & Russia for funding Hamas. Condemn Qatar for giving asylum to Hamas leaders. Stop romanticizing "Palestinian resistance" (evil adults sending children to stupid deaths).

> But it really is true that Hamas uses human shields. It really is true that they place bases in places like hospitals. Then don't fucking bomb it. You're defending war crimes and terrorism.

edanm 3y ago

> Then don't fucking bomb it. You're defending war crimes and terrorism. 1. It's not a war crime. If one side places their militants in a hospital, the hospital is no longer afforded protection. If anyone is commiting war crimes, it's Hamas, by placing their HQ in a hospital. 2. As much as I'd love to not bomb anybody, they are actively at this moment shooting rockets at me. What exactly should I do? Just wait until they inevitably manage to kill me?

matsemann 3y ago
2. Who are "they" shooting rockets at you? The children you're killing? The civilians in a hospital getting treatment form previous bombings? I stand by my statement. You're defending war crimes and terrorism. It's what it is, no matter how justified you believe it is to kill these innocent people.
- edanm 3y ago
  > Who are "they" shooting rockets at you? The children you're killing? The civilians in a hospital getting treatment form previous bombings? The Hamas militants that are using hospitals as a base of operations. If you honestly want to discuss this, then here's my suggestion - let's set aside the factual question for a second. If it's true that Hamas is firing rockets from within hospitals and/or using hospitals as a base of operations, would you then consider it justified to attack back? If yes, then we just have the factual matter of whether it's true or not and we can check that. If no, then my followup question is - so what should we do? What other option is there if someone is firing rockets at you right now, if you refuse to fire back? I'm asking in all sincerity, I'm literally running to a bomb shelter multiple times a day as rockets are fired at me, is there something you think is ok for my government to do to try and defend me?
  - matsemann 3y ago
    What your government could do? Perhaps stop the occupation and killings of Palestinians. I think you would find that the innocent people being killed by your bombs don't really want to fight, they just want to live their life in peace. I can't fathom how you can justify bombing thousands of children just because some operation is carried out from somewhere in the city. I mean, what is it now, 3000 children in a matter of days being killed by Israel? But sure, killing them is probably "defending you"..
    - lobocinza 3y ago
      Perhaps Hamas could stop using their own population as human shields, vacate from hospitals, let Palestinians leave the north of Gaza and release the hostages. But they will never do that. They will keep using Palestinians as meat shield and their deaths as propaganda, diverting humanitarian aid to fund terrorism, using women as terrorist bombers, telling children to thrown rocks (which are deadly) at IDF soldiers so they as "martyrs" and sabotaging any possibility of peace because peace is an existential threat for Hamas.
      - matsemann 3y ago
        Then I resort to my original comment: Then just not fucking bomb the children. Their blood is on Israeli hands just as much as Hamas, don't try to weasel out of it. That you're comparing children throwing rocks to using advanced military equipment to bomb them back says a lot about your values. As if doing the first in any way excuses doing the second.. A child being told to throw rocks doesn't know any better, and doesn't deserve to die for it. Holy crap some of you are out of touch with humanity.
        lobocinza 3y ago
        So what do you suggest? That Israelis do nothing? It doesn't matter if it's a huge rock to the head or a laser beam as both are lethal. Unless you have a realistic suggestion of the IDF should do differently you're just being a coward, signaling virtue without having to be virtuous from the comfort of your home. > Then just not fucking bomb the children. Do you think the IDF is purposefully looking for children to bomb so they can look bad? Hamas use children as human shield and their deaths as propaganda. Do you want to help Palestinian children? Condemn Hamas for using children as shield. Condemn Iran & Russia for funding Hamas. Condemn Qatar for giving asylum to Hamas leaders. Stop romanticizing "Palestinian resistance" (evil adults sending children to stupid deaths).