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This is an absurd overextension of the word rape. Even if you were completely right that the young guy wouldn't have taken that decision sober and that he regre

This is an absurd overextension of the word rape. Even if you were completely right that the young guy wouldn't have taken that decision sober and that he regretted it the next day (which you are just assuming based on 0 knowledge), as long as she didn't coerce him into getting drunk, he was of legal age, and he wasn't blackout-levels of drunk, it's absurd to call this rape. Drunk but conscious people are very much able to consent. One of the main reasons people engoy being drunk in night clubs is the kind of reduced inhibitions that lead to talking to and having sex with people outside your regular dating choices.

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prartichoke 3y ago
Now try reading the post you replied to but with swapped genders. Would your reply be the same?
- gambiting 3y ago
  Obviously yes? How can it not be the same?
- tsimionescu 3y ago
  Yes, absolutely. If a woman is getting drunk in a club and she goes home with some older dude that looks hot in the alcohol fumes and has sex that later she regrets, she did not get raped. Is that controversial in any way?
Thrir94994i 3y ago
You were right maybe 20 years ago. But now many judicial precedents t say otherwise! > Drunk but conscious people are very much able to consent "Conscious" is highly individual state. I would strongly recommend you to look up current situation, it may prevent a very nasty situation, where judge has a different opinion! Most guys I know take god knows what drugs, mixed with vodka and Redbull... Far from shining beacon of "consciousness". But they are still able to walk and talk, and somehow get home...
- CogitoCogito 3y ago
  > But now many judicial precedents t say otherwise! Please provide links to precedents supporting this claim of yours: > People who drink alcohol can not give a consent!
  - Thrir94994i 3y ago
    California Penal Code section 261 (a)(3) > If a person is prevented from resisting by an intoxicating or anesthetic substance, or a controlled substance, and this condition was known, or reasonably should have been known by the accused. Look up statutory rape, duress... If you want some actual cases, search at relevant forums. I am really not going to give legal advice here.
    - CogitoCogito 3y ago
      You said this: > People who drink alcohol can not give a consent! Your quote quote clearly does not say people who drink alcohol cannot give consent. In fact, it says: > If a person is prevented from resisting by an intoxicating… Do you not understand that that is not the same thing? You made the claim that someone drinking one beer cannot give consent. Nowhere does your quote support that claim.
      - sieabahlpark 3y ago
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      - Thrir94994i 3y ago
        This is how statutory rape works. Consent is invalidated by a law! If person are intoxicated, they are prevented from resisting. So even if they give a verbal consent, this consent is invalidated by section 261 (a)(3), because they were prevented from resisting.
        CogitoCogito 3y ago
        You ignored my post. Drinking a beer does not prevent one from resisting. Frankly you don’t seem to be understanding the statue you posted. Your position is ludicrous. It would imply that a married couple in California can’t have sex without it being rape if one (or both?) drink a single glass of wine with dinner. Think over the argument you’re making.

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prartichoke 3y ago

Now try reading the post you replied to but with swapped genders. Would your reply be the same?

gambiting 3y ago
Obviously yes? How can it not be the same?
tsimionescu 3y ago
Yes, absolutely. If a woman is getting drunk in a club and she goes home with some older dude that looks hot in the alcohol fumes and has sex that later she regrets, she did not get raped. Is that controversial in any way?

Thrir94994i 3y ago

You were right maybe 20 years ago. But now many judicial precedents t say otherwise! > Drunk but conscious people are very much able to consent "Conscious" is highly individual state. I would strongly recommend you to look up current situation, it may prevent a very nasty situation, where judge has a different opinion! Most guys I know take god knows what drugs, mixed with vodka and Redbull... Far from shining beacon of "consciousness". But they are still able to walk and talk, and somehow get home...

CogitoCogito 3y ago
> But now many judicial precedents t say otherwise! Please provide links to precedents supporting this claim of yours: > People who drink alcohol can not give a consent!
- Thrir94994i 3y ago
  California Penal Code section 261 (a)(3) > If a person is prevented from resisting by an intoxicating or anesthetic substance, or a controlled substance, and this condition was known, or reasonably should have been known by the accused. Look up statutory rape, duress... If you want some actual cases, search at relevant forums. I am really not going to give legal advice here.
  - CogitoCogito 3y ago
    You said this: > People who drink alcohol can not give a consent! Your quote quote clearly does not say people who drink alcohol cannot give consent. In fact, it says: > If a person is prevented from resisting by an intoxicating… Do you not understand that that is not the same thing? You made the claim that someone drinking one beer cannot give consent. Nowhere does your quote support that claim.
    - sieabahlpark 3y ago
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    - Thrir94994i 3y ago
      This is how statutory rape works. Consent is invalidated by a law! If person are intoxicated, they are prevented from resisting. So even if they give a verbal consent, this consent is invalidated by section 261 (a)(3), because they were prevented from resisting.
      - CogitoCogito 3y ago
        You ignored my post. Drinking a beer does not prevent one from resisting. Frankly you don’t seem to be understanding the statue you posted. Your position is ludicrous. It would imply that a married couple in California can’t have sex without it being rape if one (or both?) drink a single glass of wine with dinner. Think over the argument you’re making.