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I think that in the end, "we" cannot win this one. This is happening in the US, and the EU is up to the same game. We all know that when business and government

by alan_cx 15y ago

I think that in the end, "we" cannot win this one. This is happening in the US, and the EU is up to the same game. We all know that when business and governments want some thing, they get it. People will be harassed and jailed so that failing businesses can be kept on life support so that they may influence "democracy" on behalf of politicians. Yes, its corrupt and vile, but its is also inevitable.

meatsock 15y ago
inevitability of defeat is a poor justification for inaction.
jrockway 15y ago
But most businesses don't want SOPA. It's one tiny minority of businesses that control most of the media that wanted SOPA. So while it may sound like business and government want SOPA, it's simply not true; the media companies are merely telling everyone it's true. (That's why they got so mad when the Internet companies, which have a lot of reach, fought SOPA. It resulted in an epic loss for them. And it will continue to do so, because the government isn't in the business of protecting tiny industries at the expense of much bigger ones.)
cabalamat 15y ago
> I think that in the end, "we" cannot win this one. This is happening in the US, and the EU is up to the same game. We all know that when business and governments want some thing, they get it. This may be true in countries like the USA and UK, which use the FPTP voting system and therefore have two big parties and therefore very little choice. But most of Europe uses various systems of PR, which is a friendlier environment for new political movements to rise up and beat the MAFIAA. Which is exactly what the Pirate Party is doing.
ajb 15y ago
In politics all organizations strive to portray themselves as the natural winners. The easiest way to defeat someone is to persuade them that they cannot win, that they should cut their losses.

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I think that in the end, "we" cannot win this one. This is happening in the US, and the EU is up to the same game. We all know that when business and government

by alan_cx 15y ago

meatsock 15y ago
inevitability of defeat is a poor justification for inaction.
jrockway 15y ago
But most businesses don't want SOPA. It's one tiny minority of businesses that control most of the media that wanted SOPA. So while it may sound like business and government want SOPA, it's simply not true; the media companies are merely telling everyone it's true. (That's why they got so mad when the Internet companies, which have a lot of reach, fought SOPA. It resulted in an epic loss for them. And it will continue to do so, because the government isn't in the business of protecting tiny industries at the expense of much bigger ones.)
cabalamat 15y ago
> I think that in the end, "we" cannot win this one. This is happening in the US, and the EU is up to the same game. We all know that when business and governments want some thing, they get it. This may be true in countries like the USA and UK, which use the FPTP voting system and therefore have two big parties and therefore very little choice. But most of Europe uses various systems of PR, which is a friendlier environment for new political movements to rise up and beat the MAFIAA. Which is exactly what the Pirate Party is doing.
ajb 15y ago
In politics all organizations strive to portray themselves as the natural winners. The easiest way to defeat someone is to persuade them that they cannot win, that they should cut their losses.