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> On the internet trasitioning from a hobby website to a commercial one is seamless. And that's exactly the kind of transition people into ham radio don't want

by GuB-42 3y ago

> On the internet trasitioning from a hobby website to a commercial one is seamless. And that's exactly the kind of transition people into ham radio don't want. > MitM attacks are a security vulnerability. A vulnerability on what security? Everything done on the ham bands is public, it makes no sense to transmit on these bands and not want to be heard. It makes sense if you are trying to send a secret message, which is what ham is explicitly not about. As for the comparison with Rust. The Rust memory model is about preventing bugs. But the lack of private communication on public ham bands is a feature, not a bug. The Rust of ham radio would be a system that prevents accidental encryption and ensures that everything is understandable by everyone. If you want the internet, use the internet. There are already many frequency bands for that.

charcircuit 3y ago
>And that's exactly the kind of transition people into ham radio don't want. Which is a problem. It would be cool to experiment in these bands and then later switch to others when you want to commercialize. >A vulnerability on what security? If you wanted to send a private message to someone the expectation is that the message should be private and not publically snoopable. >Everything done on the ham bands is public Everything on the internet is public too in the sense that people who can listen in between have access to what is sent. >If you want the internet, use the internet. This is accepting defeat to the internet. I say that we should see more competition.
- GuB-42 3y ago
  > This is accepting defeat to the internet. I say that we should see more competition. I think here is the misunderstanding. There is no competition. Ham operators happily use the internet to communicate when appropriate and at the same time use the ham bands for playing with their radio equipment. I don't think many of them want to use their radios to do what they do with their smartphones and vice versa. It is like saying that gliders and airliners are in competition. Even if both are about aerodynamics, no glider pilot is mad because using a glider is inconvenient for travelling overseas, no one thinks gliders have "lost" to airliners because of the insistance on not using engines (motorgliders exist but they are still inadequate for practical travel). Glider pilots take the plane like everyone else when going on vacation. It doesn't mean gliders are useless, a few of them have practical applications, and they make excellent training for "useful" plane pilots, in fact most of the best airline pilots have flown gliders, and some still do. Same idea with ham radio. Mostly but not completely impractical, and many of the people who now work with "useful" radios like the one that's in your phone giving you internet access started as amateurs.
  - charcircuit 3y ago
    People who think its a dead end and that it cannot live up to the utility of the internet are not dreamers. They are content with the way things are to the point that they are not capable of seeing what it could truly be capable of.

by GuB-42 3y ago

charcircuit 3y ago

>And that's exactly the kind of transition people into ham radio don't want. Which is a problem. It would be cool to experiment in these bands and then later switch to others when you want to commercialize. >A vulnerability on what security? If you wanted to send a private message to someone the expectation is that the message should be private and not publically snoopable. >Everything done on the ham bands is public Everything on the internet is public too in the sense that people who can listen in between have access to what is sent. >If you want the internet, use the internet. This is accepting defeat to the internet. I say that we should see more competition.

GuB-42 3y ago
> This is accepting defeat to the internet. I say that we should see more competition. I think here is the misunderstanding. There is no competition. Ham operators happily use the internet to communicate when appropriate and at the same time use the ham bands for playing with their radio equipment. I don't think many of them want to use their radios to do what they do with their smartphones and vice versa. It is like saying that gliders and airliners are in competition. Even if both are about aerodynamics, no glider pilot is mad because using a glider is inconvenient for travelling overseas, no one thinks gliders have "lost" to airliners because of the insistance on not using engines (motorgliders exist but they are still inadequate for practical travel). Glider pilots take the plane like everyone else when going on vacation. It doesn't mean gliders are useless, a few of them have practical applications, and they make excellent training for "useful" plane pilots, in fact most of the best airline pilots have flown gliders, and some still do. Same idea with ham radio. Mostly but not completely impractical, and many of the people who now work with "useful" radios like the one that's in your phone giving you internet access started as amateurs.
- charcircuit 3y ago
  People who think its a dead end and that it cannot live up to the utility of the internet are not dreamers. They are content with the way things are to the point that they are not capable of seeing what it could truly be capable of.