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Early conservatives/early majority will likely learn about hybrid, then phevs, and then ev’s. Conveniently there assists to be new battery technologies in the

by j45 3y ago

Early conservatives/early majority will likely learn about hybrid, then phevs, and then ev’s. Conveniently there assists to be new battery technologies in the next few years. Toyota is also about to go heavy into EV, and with it a trusted customer base.

twisteriffic 3y ago
> Toyota is also about to go heavy into EV, and with it a trusted customer base. And given recent behaviour, no interest in making stock available to the north american market. Despite still being heavily advertised, there are no dealers in my province that will even take a pre-order at this point.
- j45 3y ago
  True. There might be some Lexus options in hybrid or PHEV. Lexus have been long in the tooth for a while on several models. I wonder if Toyotas new battery tech might just pop into the prime to be more efficient and longer mileage in the future.
jraines 3y ago
This is me. Just bought a CRV Hybrid, as a long time Honda driver, and I love it. I would’ve bought electric except that most of them have taken Tesla’s example and decided that electric has to also mean “screens and weird design decisions everywhere”. I could deal with that, all things being equal, but the price premium just pushes the decision over the line. I might’ve also made the leap to Tesla since it’s competitive on price now but I’m not in an area where service would be convenient (even if good/fast)
- j45 3y ago
  Honda has been very late to the hybrid game in SUVs but the CRV is awesome and bigger, I know someone looking at it jn my life. The only thing comparable is the few years there was an Acura MDX Hybrid and it was more of a performance hybrid like Infiniti liked to do. Teslas are def interesting, Model 3’a seems to have an advantage over model Y for efficiency. I have a few friends focused on the 2016-17 Model S/X with unlimited supercharging and the new driving computer. The S/X seem to run forever once any issues are ironed out. Topping up charge every night and not spending time at a gas station is a little appealing especially for any places with inclement weather. More awake time to live.
droptablemain 3y ago
> Toyota is also about to go heavy into EV, and with it a trusted customer base. I had been under the impression that Toyota's leadership was (IMO rightly) highly skeptical of the EV market. Source?
- j45 3y ago
  I had heard the same but it appears Japanese brands may be turning the JDM corner together. Seems recent: https://news.google.com/search?q=toyota+making+big+move+into+ev https://news.google.com/search?q=toyota+making+big+move+into... Mazda’s got some nice PHEV options too.
WirelessGigabit 3y ago
I was looking at a BMW X5 50e. With my ICE I've been told to start the engine and drive away gently. Test-driving the 50e I noticed it was in electric mode until the ramp and as I floored it the ICE kicked in and immediately went to high RPM. To this date I have not seen an explanation as to why this does not harm the engine, and yet it harms MY engine when I immediately minimize the distance between the gas pedal and the floorboard. It's not that they have an electric oil pump that kicks in _BEFORE_ the engine revs. And hand-wavy gestures like 'oh they're built' for it don't explain HOW they fixed it. What's the fix? Different tolerances? Different material that doesn't wear? Thicker material so it can wear more before problems appear (what about tolerances then?).
- j45 3y ago
  BMWs are great machines, and I know many folks who love them.. I’m not super familiar BMWs except the stereotypes to enjoy them new until 60k miles and sell to avoid any engineered maintenance. And maybe less as you go higher end. My understanding is engines should be modified or able to work like this. Not sure if each make does it a bit different but a part of me wonders if it has something to do with the engine stopped feature when parked at a redlinght
- pandaman 3y ago
  When were you told to drive gently after starting the engine? That was a legitimate issue with early turbos, which would break if you tried to spin them up cold, and that was eventually solved in order to put a turbo in every car nowadays. Furthermore, BMWs had been turning engine off when stopped for the past 20 years or so. As for the oil pump, I am pretty sure it's driven off the engine itself so you don't need to wait till it spins up.

by j45 3y ago

twisteriffic 3y ago

> Toyota is also about to go heavy into EV, and with it a trusted customer base. And given recent behaviour, no interest in making stock available to the north american market. Despite still being heavily advertised, there are no dealers in my province that will even take a pre-order at this point.

j45 3y ago
True. There might be some Lexus options in hybrid or PHEV. Lexus have been long in the tooth for a while on several models. I wonder if Toyotas new battery tech might just pop into the prime to be more efficient and longer mileage in the future.

jraines 3y ago

This is me. Just bought a CRV Hybrid, as a long time Honda driver, and I love it. I would’ve bought electric except that most of them have taken Tesla’s example and decided that electric has to also mean “screens and weird design decisions everywhere”. I could deal with that, all things being equal, but the price premium just pushes the decision over the line. I might’ve also made the leap to Tesla since it’s competitive on price now but I’m not in an area where service would be convenient (even if good/fast)

j45 3y ago
Honda has been very late to the hybrid game in SUVs but the CRV is awesome and bigger, I know someone looking at it jn my life. The only thing comparable is the few years there was an Acura MDX Hybrid and it was more of a performance hybrid like Infiniti liked to do. Teslas are def interesting, Model 3’a seems to have an advantage over model Y for efficiency. I have a few friends focused on the 2016-17 Model S/X with unlimited supercharging and the new driving computer. The S/X seem to run forever once any issues are ironed out. Topping up charge every night and not spending time at a gas station is a little appealing especially for any places with inclement weather. More awake time to live.

droptablemain 3y ago

> Toyota is also about to go heavy into EV, and with it a trusted customer base. I had been under the impression that Toyota's leadership was (IMO rightly) highly skeptical of the EV market. Source?

j45 3y ago
I had heard the same but it appears Japanese brands may be turning the JDM corner together. Seems recent: https://news.google.com/search?q=toyota+making+big+move+into+ev https://news.google.com/search?q=toyota+making+big+move+into... Mazda’s got some nice PHEV options too.

WirelessGigabit 3y ago

I was looking at a BMW X5 50e. With my ICE I've been told to start the engine and drive away gently. Test-driving the 50e I noticed it was in electric mode until the ramp and as I floored it the ICE kicked in and immediately went to high RPM. To this date I have not seen an explanation as to why this does not harm the engine, and yet it harms MY engine when I immediately minimize the distance between the gas pedal and the floorboard. It's not that they have an electric oil pump that kicks in _BEFORE_ the engine revs. And hand-wavy gestures like 'oh they're built' for it don't explain HOW they fixed it. What's the fix? Different tolerances? Different material that doesn't wear? Thicker material so it can wear more before problems appear (what about tolerances then?).

j45 3y ago
BMWs are great machines, and I know many folks who love them.. I’m not super familiar BMWs except the stereotypes to enjoy them new until 60k miles and sell to avoid any engineered maintenance. And maybe less as you go higher end. My understanding is engines should be modified or able to work like this. Not sure if each make does it a bit different but a part of me wonders if it has something to do with the engine stopped feature when parked at a redlinght
pandaman 3y ago
When were you told to drive gently after starting the engine? That was a legitimate issue with early turbos, which would break if you tried to spin them up cold, and that was eventually solved in order to put a turbo in every car nowadays. Furthermore, BMWs had been turning engine off when stopped for the past 20 years or so. As for the oil pump, I am pretty sure it's driven off the engine itself so you don't need to wait till it spins up.