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> I know Americans get a justice boner imagining bad criminals getting raped in prison, What an offensive stereotype to place Americans in general into this bu

> I know Americans get a justice boner imagining bad criminals getting raped in prison, What an offensive stereotype to place Americans in general into this bucket.

markoman 3y ago
You're offended. Now, refute the characterization with cogent, rational arguments. Leaving off your own arguments and simply stating that you're affronted doesn't serve much of a point.
- bitshiftfaced 3y ago
  The point it serves is to communicate an opposing perspective, one that says there's something wrong with stereotyping a whole nation of people by basically saying they lack the ability to empathize and are sadistic and cruel. > 91 Percent of Americans Support Criminal Justice Reform, ACLU Polling Finds https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/91-percent-americans-support-criminal-justice-reform-aclu-polling-finds https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/91-percent-americans-sup...
  - atmavatar 3y ago
    I think it's perfectly fair for an outside party to claim that the actions of a democratically-elected government represent the will of its citizens -- at least as an opening comment, surely. Though, it's true that there are a lot of reasons why the US government fails to accurately represent a majority of its citizens on many (perhaps even most!) issues. I might even argue that our political party and electoral systems are currently structured such that our "representatives" largely don't even have to care about the will of the US citizenry. But, I'd hardly expect everyone outside the US to understand that, particularly if they lived in one of the many first-world countries with better-functioning systems. Starting with that link as a rebuttal rather than a conversation-terminating "I am offended" response would have been more productive.
sundaeofshock 3y ago
As an American, it sure seems like a fair characterization. Many politicians are in favor of harsh incarnation conditions, and a majority of Americans seem to support this position.
- bitshiftfaced 3y ago
  I take it you don't support this position, in which case we have at least an n=1 of Americans who don't believe people in prison deserve to be raped. > 91 Percent of Americans Support Criminal Justice Reform, ACLU Polling Finds https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/91-percent-americans-support-criminal-justice-reform-aclu-polling-finds https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/91-percent-americans-sup... > Respondents were asked about their views on the size of the prison system, mandatory minimums, whether incarceration makes communities safer

> I know Americans get a justice boner imagining bad criminals getting raped in prison, What an offensive stereotype to place Americans in general into this bucket.

markoman 3y ago

You're offended. Now, refute the characterization with cogent, rational arguments. Leaving off your own arguments and simply stating that you're affronted doesn't serve much of a point.

bitshiftfaced 3y ago
The point it serves is to communicate an opposing perspective, one that says there's something wrong with stereotyping a whole nation of people by basically saying they lack the ability to empathize and are sadistic and cruel. > 91 Percent of Americans Support Criminal Justice Reform, ACLU Polling Finds https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/91-percent-americans-support-criminal-justice-reform-aclu-polling-finds https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/91-percent-americans-sup...
- atmavatar 3y ago
  I think it's perfectly fair for an outside party to claim that the actions of a democratically-elected government represent the will of its citizens -- at least as an opening comment, surely. Though, it's true that there are a lot of reasons why the US government fails to accurately represent a majority of its citizens on many (perhaps even most!) issues. I might even argue that our political party and electoral systems are currently structured such that our "representatives" largely don't even have to care about the will of the US citizenry. But, I'd hardly expect everyone outside the US to understand that, particularly if they lived in one of the many first-world countries with better-functioning systems. Starting with that link as a rebuttal rather than a conversation-terminating "I am offended" response would have been more productive.

sundaeofshock 3y ago

As an American, it sure seems like a fair characterization. Many politicians are in favor of harsh incarnation conditions, and a majority of Americans seem to support this position.

bitshiftfaced 3y ago
I take it you don't support this position, in which case we have at least an n=1 of Americans who don't believe people in prison deserve to be raped. > 91 Percent of Americans Support Criminal Justice Reform, ACLU Polling Finds https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/91-percent-americans-support-criminal-justice-reform-aclu-polling-finds https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/91-percent-americans-sup... > Respondents were asked about their views on the size of the prison system, mandatory minimums, whether incarceration makes communities safer