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Musks Strange Behaviour Related to Ketamine

14 points by amai 3y ago

baxtr 3y ago
> "A little bit of ketamine has an effect similar to alcohol. It can cause disinhibition, where you do and say things you otherwise would not," the researcher said. "At higher doses, it has another effect, which is dissociation: you feel detached from your body and surroundings." > "You can feel grandiose and like you have special powers or special talents," Anand added. "People do impulsive things, they could do inadvisable things at work. The impact depends on the kind of work. For a librarian, there’s less risk. If you’re a pilot, it can cause big problems." This sounds similar to drugs like Cocaine or Amphetamine. I’m no expert at all though.
- morkalork 3y ago
  I'm not sure I agree with that description though. Ket goes from being a bit like alcohol, to being extremely trashed in the sense of loss of feeling, numbness, loss of coordination and sensory perception. And with enough you get the k-hole effect. Nowhere is the manic energy one gets from dopamine and stimulants. Maybe they're misinterpreting the ego death of a k-hole as the feeling of specialness? Anyways, when you're in that state, it's very unlikely you're at all capable of typing on a phone.
  - millerhooks 3y ago
    The detox period from ketamine can induce manic psychosis and it can be invisible to a frequent user. I spent six or eight months daily using ketamine 20 years ago and mania became my constant companion towards the end.
- poulpy123 3y ago
  I followed a ketamine treatment for depression (in an hospital setting), it make me trippy and tired, not excited and full of energy. While I don't have any experience with other drug, I would have associated it more with LSD, psilocybin or cannabis that cocaïne and amphétamine
  - poulpy123 3y ago
    of course different dosage can give different results, but I would be surprised that an anesthetic is similar to a stimulant
almost_usual 3y ago
> You can feel grandiose and like you have special powers or special talents I find it hard for someone not to feel this way if they’re a billionaire let alone Elon Musk. I’m sure the ketamine isn't helping but Elon has always came off as eccentric and impulsive.
- rcar1046 3y ago
  Perhaps people can feel like they have special talents or powers in one field while still feeling apprehensive and anxious when it comes to other facets of life ie. I don't know that success in business equates to confidence on the dance floor.
luxuryballs 3y ago
It’s very difficult to assess the effects a drug may have on a specific individual, especially someone potentially not very neurotypical, and without knowing the true dosage and usage patterns. Plus there’s so much that can go into decision making, ascribing “commonly reported effects” of a drug to explain behavior at a distance is kinda lazy and pointless to say the least. Gives the vibe of a lack of experience with using self-curated drugs as a personalized and refined regimen for mental maintenance.
underseacables 3y ago
Ketamine saved my life. Low-dose, nasal spray. My body felt drunk, but my mind was completely clear. It was a little awkward to walk, but I could sit and hold a conversation without a problem. Given my experience, this article just seems like fear mongering.
- jjeaff 3y ago
  I assume you took the exact same dosage, form, and type of delivery as Musk and that you have the same genetics and diet as Musk? Because otherwise, there are far too many factors at play to make any comparison.

14 points by amai 3y ago

> "A little bit of ketamine has an effect similar to alcohol. It can cause disinhibition, where you do and say things you otherwise would not," the researcher said. "At higher doses, it has another effect, which is dissociation: you feel detached from your body and surroundings." > "You can feel grandiose and like you have special powers or special talents," Anand added. "People do impulsive things, they could do inadvisable things at work. The impact depends on the kind of work. For a librarian, there’s less risk. If you’re a pilot, it can cause big problems." This sounds similar to drugs like Cocaine or Amphetamine. I’m no expert at all though.

morkalork 3y ago
I'm not sure I agree with that description though. Ket goes from being a bit like alcohol, to being extremely trashed in the sense of loss of feeling, numbness, loss of coordination and sensory perception. And with enough you get the k-hole effect. Nowhere is the manic energy one gets from dopamine and stimulants. Maybe they're misinterpreting the ego death of a k-hole as the feeling of specialness? Anyways, when you're in that state, it's very unlikely you're at all capable of typing on a phone.
- millerhooks 3y ago
  The detox period from ketamine can induce manic psychosis and it can be invisible to a frequent user. I spent six or eight months daily using ketamine 20 years ago and mania became my constant companion towards the end.
poulpy123 3y ago
I followed a ketamine treatment for depression (in an hospital setting), it make me trippy and tired, not excited and full of energy. While I don't have any experience with other drug, I would have associated it more with LSD, psilocybin or cannabis that cocaïne and amphétamine
- poulpy123 3y ago
  of course different dosage can give different results, but I would be surprised that an anesthetic is similar to a stimulant

almost_usual 3y ago

> You can feel grandiose and like you have special powers or special talents I find it hard for someone not to feel this way if they’re a billionaire let alone Elon Musk. I’m sure the ketamine isn't helping but Elon has always came off as eccentric and impulsive.

rcar1046 3y ago
Perhaps people can feel like they have special talents or powers in one field while still feeling apprehensive and anxious when it comes to other facets of life ie. I don't know that success in business equates to confidence on the dance floor.

luxuryballs 3y ago

It’s very difficult to assess the effects a drug may have on a specific individual, especially someone potentially not very neurotypical, and without knowing the true dosage and usage patterns. Plus there’s so much that can go into decision making, ascribing “commonly reported effects” of a drug to explain behavior at a distance is kinda lazy and pointless to say the least. Gives the vibe of a lack of experience with using self-curated drugs as a personalized and refined regimen for mental maintenance.

underseacables 3y ago

Ketamine saved my life. Low-dose, nasal spray. My body felt drunk, but my mind was completely clear. It was a little awkward to walk, but I could sit and hold a conversation without a problem. Given my experience, this article just seems like fear mongering.

jjeaff 3y ago
I assume you took the exact same dosage, form, and type of delivery as Musk and that you have the same genetics and diet as Musk? Because otherwise, there are far too many factors at play to make any comparison.