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I'm afraid Switzerland isn't a safe haven anymore either. People voted yes on a significant extension of police powers allowing FedPol to enforce "anti-terroris
by derelicta 3y ago
I'm afraid Switzerland isn't a safe haven anymore either. People voted yes on a significant extension of police powers allowing FedPol to enforce "anti-terrorist" measures without judicial oversight. Sure those measures can be fought in a federal court, but I wouldnt be surprised if we do bow to other european powers like we did for the Proton mail affair.
- _trampeltier 3y agoWhen I think about the other countrys in Europe or north america, I think Switzerland is still pretty safe. But yes, also in Switzerland the sling is getting smaller around personal freedom.
- throwaway4good 3y agoI don’t know where you would go for asylum in his situation? Maybe Hong Kong?
- derelicta 3y agoAnyplace that doesnt bow to our American overlords ig.
- hankchinaski 3y agoRussia
- throwaway4good 3y agoThat has its own obvious problems. Snowden went to Hong Kong first rather than Switzerland or Dubai. Of course he ends up in Moscow.
- DonaldFisk 3y agoThe UK suspended its extradition treaty with Hong Kong in 2020 and I don't think it's been resumed: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53476811 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53476811
- jimnotgym 3y agoNorthern Cyprus?
- anticensor 3y agoNo, that one bows down to Turkey and Southern Cyprus.
- jimnotgym 3y agoI seem to remember that it does not have an extradition treaty with the UK. It seems that doesn't matter any more. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10818347 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10818347
- xscott 3y agoWhat is the Proton mail affair? Recently I was thinking about creating an account with them, so I'm interested.
- geraldhh 3y agoidk but safe to say that if you want private comms, you have to do it yourself and encrypt locally and offline to a point where you don't have to trust any middleman
- RcouF1uZ4gsC 3y agoEncrypted email as a service is probably snake oil. The ways of failure are so many that you have to be an expert to avoid leaking. However, if you and your receivers have that expertise, you could communicate by using PGP encryption that is encoded to base64 and use any email service.
- jimnotgym 3y agoIs this the affair where their Android app became trully terrible, or something else
- 3np 3y agoprob this https://www.theverge.com/2021/9/6/22659861/protonmail-swiss-court-order-french-climate-activist-arrest-identification https://www.theverge.com/2021/9/6/22659861/protonmail-swiss-... https://www.vice.com/en/article/88njdg/protonmail-under-fire-for-sharing-clactivist-data-with-french-authorities https://www.vice.com/en/article/88njdg/protonmail-under-fire...
- xscott 3y agoThank you!
- protonmail 3y agoOur encryption cannot be bypassed, and this case shows exactly that - even when we receive a data request we cannot legally contest, we are not able to share the data encrypted on our servers in an unencrypted format. As any legally operating company, we have to comply with the local legislation, however, the Swiss legislation is one of the strictest in the world when it comes to privacy protection. We are also working on improving it further - we won a major court case in 2021: https://proton.me/blog/court-strengthens-email-privacy https://proton.me/blog/court-strengthens-email-privacy.