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> One sentiment that’s different from when I was a teen [...] No one wants to do anything even slightly controversial, lest their peers drag them for it. Wasn'

by neilv 3y ago

> One sentiment that’s different from when I was a teen [...] No one wants to do anything even slightly controversial, lest their peers drag them for it. Wasn't that always teen conformity? Kids desperately aligning to one group or another, unless they were popular enough (good-looking, wealthy, good at sports) to cross multiple groups? (Even the "counterculture" groups had uniforms and approved consumer product fashion categories.)

pixl97 3y ago
Eh, not quite sure about that... I was never really concerned about "The thing I am about to do will be recorded for all history and played to the entire world" generally wasn't a concern. Yea, you could do some screwup of epic proportions that made the news, but you'd have to try really hard. Kids these days have a pretty good understanding of "Everything you do is being recorded by someone, even if you don't see it"
- ksaj 3y ago
  Kids in school see cameras watching them everywhere except inside the washrooms and changerooms. In the school my partner works at, there are so many cameras, you are on more than one at any given time, and the cafeteria is crazy loaded with them. So surveillance to them is a nothingburger. Unfortunately it'll be really hard to explain to them as they get older why government surveillance is a bad thing.
  - pixl97 3y ago
    At the same time it's not just big brother surveillance. Kids tend to know their cellphone can track them (in fact there have been articles here about kids wanting their parents to be able to track them), but more so they know each one of their peers has a cellphone that can be used to record their own actions. You don't need big brother when you have an actual brother the could be recording your at any moment. I guess the only thing I can really place it with is how back in the USSR days, us US GenX'ers were always talking about how the KGB gets you because your neighbor turns you in.
    - TeMPOraL 3y ago
      In other words: kids these days are both the agents and the victims of a distributed KGB - one that doesn't have a structure, nor does it follow a specific ideology. It's a whirpool of ever changing attitudes, that victimizes participants pretty much at random. Thing you did was fine when you did it last year, but is not seen as fine now, and you - not your friends doing that same thing - will get dragged over coals for it, just because RNG made a post about you go viral.

by neilv 3y ago

pixl97 3y ago

Eh, not quite sure about that... I was never really concerned about "The thing I am about to do will be recorded for all history and played to the entire world" generally wasn't a concern. Yea, you could do some screwup of epic proportions that made the news, but you'd have to try really hard. Kids these days have a pretty good understanding of "Everything you do is being recorded by someone, even if you don't see it"

ksaj 3y ago
Kids in school see cameras watching them everywhere except inside the washrooms and changerooms. In the school my partner works at, there are so many cameras, you are on more than one at any given time, and the cafeteria is crazy loaded with them. So surveillance to them is a nothingburger. Unfortunately it'll be really hard to explain to them as they get older why government surveillance is a bad thing.
- pixl97 3y ago
  At the same time it's not just big brother surveillance. Kids tend to know their cellphone can track them (in fact there have been articles here about kids wanting their parents to be able to track them), but more so they know each one of their peers has a cellphone that can be used to record their own actions. You don't need big brother when you have an actual brother the could be recording your at any moment. I guess the only thing I can really place it with is how back in the USSR days, us US GenX'ers were always talking about how the KGB gets you because your neighbor turns you in.
  - TeMPOraL 3y ago
    In other words: kids these days are both the agents and the victims of a distributed KGB - one that doesn't have a structure, nor does it follow a specific ideology. It's a whirpool of ever changing attitudes, that victimizes participants pretty much at random. Thing you did was fine when you did it last year, but is not seen as fine now, and you - not your friends doing that same thing - will get dragged over coals for it, just because RNG made a post about you go viral.