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Debate doesn't seem the least bit stifled to me. Just the opposite: there is so much that we can't actually come to any conclusions. Coming to conclusions and d
by jfengel 3y ago
Debate doesn't seem the least bit stifled to me. Just the opposite: there is so much that we can't actually come to any conclusions. Coming to conclusions and debating really are in opposition.
- smitty1e 3y agoThere is no debate in the sense of dispassionately presenting facts; sincerely seeking to understand the merits of the opposing view; being willing to own fault where factually based; accepting compromise, &c. Unless I've missed, like, a lot.
- jfengel 3y agoThere's plenty of it. It is fairly quiet and mostly happening well away from the places people go for "debate". Often, conclusions are reached and the people drawing them move on to the next thing. The people seeking "debate" don't find answers because they don't know how to look.
- smitty1e 3y agoBy all means, please link these (non-)famous places. Social media is so much Argument Clinic[1] crammed into the vastness of cyberspace. [1] https://youtu.be/uLlv_aZjHXc?si=5rmU6k71lJvJnhro https://youtu.be/uLlv_aZjHXc?si=5rmU6k71lJvJnhro
- wizzwizz4 3y agoIt's not happening in “places”. That's the whole point. (If you trawl through my comment history, you'll notice I argue a lot on Hacker News, but that's very much a “hail Mary”: the learning and changing-my-mind is all happening elsewhere – “in the real world”, so to speak.)