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Sounds like they need a union.

by panzagl 3y ago

robertlagrant 3y ago
Unionising against the parents?
- toomuchtodo 3y ago
  The customer is not always right. Parents can be savages (speaking as a parent who has had to interact with some of these folks) and administration can have no spine or will. Also why there is a teacher shortage in the US. Shit job for shit wages. The desired outcome is student education and actualization, not necessarily parental happiness. Some parents feel otherwise. Lots of Karens of all genders out there. thadt’s comment is spot on (chef kiss): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38050798 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38050798 Lots of other great comments in thread about what teachers face from parents.
  - robertlagrant 3y ago
    I'm not sure if you've replied to the right comment. What's this got to do with whether you can unionise against your (sort of) customers?
    - toomuchtodo 3y ago
      Why would you not unionize against your customers if a teacher? Clearly, some parents and their children are abusive and adversarial, leading to unionization being the only defense against abusive working conditions. Who else will protect you as a teacher? Administration and parents won’t. My apologies if this wasn’t clear from my comment you replied to. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Federation_of_Teachers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Federation_of_Teacher... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Federation_of_Teachers%27_Unions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Federation_of_Teachers%2...
      - robertlagrant 3y ago
        Because that's not what unions do. Unions are against management, not customers.
- Longlius 3y ago
  Unionizing against a disruptive but organized minority of the parents, yes. I don't imagine the majority of parents are a problem.
  - robertlagrant 3y ago
    Is that how unions work now? I thought they were against management.
    - NooneAtAll3 3y ago
      unions, by their name, are just a way to organize workers sure, there are legal protections given to officialized ones (and probably not-officialized as well) against employers, but that does not require for the word to be used only as "organization against evil employers"

Sounds like they need a union.

robertlagrant 3y ago

Unionising against the parents?

toomuchtodo 3y ago
The customer is not always right. Parents can be savages (speaking as a parent who has had to interact with some of these folks) and administration can have no spine or will. Also why there is a teacher shortage in the US. Shit job for shit wages. The desired outcome is student education and actualization, not necessarily parental happiness. Some parents feel otherwise. Lots of Karens of all genders out there. thadt’s comment is spot on (chef kiss): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38050798 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38050798 Lots of other great comments in thread about what teachers face from parents.
- robertlagrant 3y ago
  I'm not sure if you've replied to the right comment. What's this got to do with whether you can unionise against your (sort of) customers?
  - toomuchtodo 3y ago
    Why would you not unionize against your customers if a teacher? Clearly, some parents and their children are abusive and adversarial, leading to unionization being the only defense against abusive working conditions. Who else will protect you as a teacher? Administration and parents won’t. My apologies if this wasn’t clear from my comment you replied to. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Federation_of_Teachers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Federation_of_Teacher... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Federation_of_Teachers%27_Unions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Federation_of_Teachers%2...
    - robertlagrant 3y ago
      Because that's not what unions do. Unions are against management, not customers.
Longlius 3y ago
Unionizing against a disruptive but organized minority of the parents, yes. I don't imagine the majority of parents are a problem.
- robertlagrant 3y ago
  Is that how unions work now? I thought they were against management.
  - NooneAtAll3 3y ago
    unions, by their name, are just a way to organize workers sure, there are legal protections given to officialized ones (and probably not-officialized as well) against employers, but that does not require for the word to be used only as "organization against evil employers"