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not from korea but I think it's the same dynamics that can be seen elsewhere where there are private schools & cram schools, ie the parent are a direct source o
by gryn 3y ago
not from korea but I think it's the same dynamics that can be seen elsewhere where there are private schools & cram schools, ie the parent are a direct source of revenue. where you have highly disrespectful and disruptive students that don't want to learn and cause a ruckus but the teachers can't say anything even sending them to the principals office because they risk getting fired, and they tend to be easily replaced in the private sector. sending them to the principal office does nothing, because they tend to be boot-lickers scared of losing a source of revenue. They won't scold the child and what exasperate the problem is the parents have the view that their child can do no wrong. Anecdotally, The only thing I've seen that work in that case is more parents with more social influence complaining about said problematic children (since they risk losing more if the group of parent decide to move their children).
- panzagl 3y agoSounds like they need a union.
- robertlagrant 3y agoUnionising against the parents?
- toomuchtodo 3y agoThe customer is not always right. Parents can be savages (speaking as a parent who has had to interact with some of these folks) and administration can have no spine or will. Also why there is a teacher shortage in the US. Shit job for shit wages. The desired outcome is student education and actualization, not necessarily parental happiness. Some parents feel otherwise. Lots of Karens of all genders out there. thadt’s comment is spot on (chef kiss): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38050798 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38050798 Lots of other great comments in thread about what teachers face from parents.
- robertlagrant 3y agoI'm not sure if you've replied to the right comment. What's this got to do with whether you can unionise against your (sort of) customers?
- toomuchtodo 3y agoWhy would you not unionize against your customers if a teacher? Clearly, some parents and their children are abusive and adversarial, leading to unionization being the only defense against abusive working conditions. Who else will protect you as a teacher? Administration and parents won’t. My apologies if this wasn’t clear from my comment you replied to. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Federation_of_Teachers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Federation_of_Teacher... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Federation_of_Teachers%27_Unions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Federation_of_Teachers%2...
- robertlagrant 3y agoBecause that's not what unions do. Unions are against management, not customers.
- Longlius 3y agoUnionizing against a disruptive but organized minority of the parents, yes. I don't imagine the majority of parents are a problem.
- robertlagrant 3y agoIs that how unions work now? I thought they were against management.
- NooneAtAll3 3y agounions, by their name, are just a way to organize workers sure, there are legal protections given to officialized ones (and probably not-officialized as well) against employers, but that does not require for the word to be used only as "organization against evil employers"
- HPsquared 3y agoSounds like a short-term vs long-term business decision. Expel the bad students hurts in the short-term but better in long-term (good reputation).