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Oh no, kids might see a butthole. One sentiment that’s different from when I was a teen till now is that the youth today is so afraid of nameless authorities.

Oh no, kids might see a butthole. One sentiment that’s different from when I was a teen till now is that the youth today is so afraid of nameless authorities. No one wants to do anything even slightly controversial, lest their peers drag them for it. I fondly remember my first butthole. It led to tubgirl and to that one video of the fella having his throat cut after being stepped on by a boot. I was about 11. I turned out ok, and I don’t think it’s survivorship bias. Speaking as a father now, when Kess grows up a bit, I’ll likely give her unrestricted internet access. And I’ll bet you a signed dollar that she’ll turn out ok.

jamespo 3y ago
Great, it's not like the internet has a problem with grooming
- sillysaurusx 3y ago
  That’s something I worry about. It happened to a family friend. She was 9, and the fella was 16. Legally nothing can be done. I hope to counter this not by avoiding the internet, but by being close with Kess. If she has someone in her life, I hope she’ll feel comfortable enough to talk to me. And yeah, I sensed that it would be a matter of time till someone hints that it’s abusive to give kids unrestricted internet access. If I change my mind, I’ll at least document why. But total freedom was a massive part of why I turned out the way I did. I’m not sure my love of math and science would have survived in isolated rural America otherwise.
joshmanders 3y ago
> I fondly remember my first butthole. It led to tubgirl and to that one video of the fella having his throat cut after being stepped on by a boot. Jesus I remember all of these.
- sillysaurusx 3y ago
  Shoutout to ogrish. Liveleak wasn’t the same, it had too much other stuff mixed in. It’s a phase. Eventually I stopped wanting to see the videos. I try to be vocal about this (hopefully not in an unsubstantive way) because so few people are willing to say that they saw shock videos, so thank you for voicing that. It otherwise gives the impression that hideous things are harmful, which gives ammunition to authority figures who use the age-old "think of the children" argument. Remember, we narrowly dodged Apple putting sniffers in our phones on the same grounds.
  - joshmanders 3y ago
    Not only am I willing to say I saw these, but back in the day I used to run a slew of adult related sites, similar to ogrish, stileproject, steakandcheese, etc and one of them was a site that actually cataloged and provided easy access to all these shock images and websites.
- ksaj 3y ago
  Lemon Party was pretty big too, if mainly that stupidly catchy tune that came with it.
neilv 3y ago
> One sentiment that’s different from when I was a teen [...] No one wants to do anything even slightly controversial, lest their peers drag them for it. Wasn't that always teen conformity? Kids desperately aligning to one group or another, unless they were popular enough (good-looking, wealthy, good at sports) to cross multiple groups? (Even the "counterculture" groups had uniforms and approved consumer product fashion categories.)
- pixl97 3y ago
  Eh, not quite sure about that... I was never really concerned about "The thing I am about to do will be recorded for all history and played to the entire world" generally wasn't a concern. Yea, you could do some screwup of epic proportions that made the news, but you'd have to try really hard. Kids these days have a pretty good understanding of "Everything you do is being recorded by someone, even if you don't see it"
  - ksaj 3y ago
    Kids in school see cameras watching them everywhere except inside the washrooms and changerooms. In the school my partner works at, there are so many cameras, you are on more than one at any given time, and the cafeteria is crazy loaded with them. So surveillance to them is a nothingburger. Unfortunately it'll be really hard to explain to them as they get older why government surveillance is a bad thing.
    - pixl97 3y ago
      At the same time it's not just big brother surveillance. Kids tend to know their cellphone can track them (in fact there have been articles here about kids wanting their parents to be able to track them), but more so they know each one of their peers has a cellphone that can be used to record their own actions. You don't need big brother when you have an actual brother the could be recording your at any moment. I guess the only thing I can really place it with is how back in the USSR days, us US GenX'ers were always talking about how the KGB gets you because your neighbor turns you in.
pawelduda 3y ago
I remember these innocent looking links friends would bait each other into, that autoplayed explicit videos on full volume with 100s of popups and the browser window that kept jumping around as you tried to catch the close button. IE5 (I think), fun times!
- morkalork 3y ago
  I distinctly remember one that blasted "I'M LOOKING AT PORN!" at full volume in the computer lab in grade 9. Good times! Edit also remember the throat slitting video. It was somewhere in eastern Europe like Serbia or something? Anyways, nowadays a kid just has to do is scroll through r/all and they'll see videos of Russians and Ukrainians massacring each other so it's not like things are any better now.
  - brobinson 3y ago
    The "hey everyone, I'm looking at gay porn!" one was the GNAA's "Last Measure" website which is probably one of the most abusive instances of Flash and Javascript I can recall.
    - morkalork 3y ago
      Yeah that's the one!
anonymouskimmer 3y ago
> I turned out ok, and I don’t think it’s survivorship bias. Ah yes. https://www.logicalfallacies.org/anecdotal.html https://www.logicalfallacies.org/anecdotal.html https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/cutting-edge-leadership/202209/social-contagion-how-others-secretly-control-your-behavior https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/cutting-edge-leade... Personally, goatse was disgusting and I don't like being reminded of it. Did I turn out okay? I could have been better and happier, but that's the distractiveness of the internet and computers in general. Edit to add: This is also, in part, why things get worse. Not only do we continue to add disgusting and horrific content, but we retain the disgusting and horrific content of the past. Meanwhile, how much good content from that era is permanently gone?
TeMPOraL 3y ago
> One sentiment that’s different from when I was a teen till now is that the youth today is so afraid of nameless authorities. No one wants to do anything even slightly controversial, lest their peers drag them for it. I'm an adult with couple decades behind me, and I am afraid of "nameless authorities" - between the law enforcement ready to chase you for real or imagined violations, full-time victims and their allies waiting to Richelieu you out of your job and all the way to international infame, and FAANG with their Hydra-like reach - worming themselves into your life, and then sending it into a downward spiral with an automated, unappealable account ban - I'm often very conscious of what I do online, lest one of such authorities decides to take offense.

jamespo 3y ago

Great, it's not like the internet has a problem with grooming

sillysaurusx 3y ago
That’s something I worry about. It happened to a family friend. She was 9, and the fella was 16. Legally nothing can be done. I hope to counter this not by avoiding the internet, but by being close with Kess. If she has someone in her life, I hope she’ll feel comfortable enough to talk to me. And yeah, I sensed that it would be a matter of time till someone hints that it’s abusive to give kids unrestricted internet access. If I change my mind, I’ll at least document why. But total freedom was a massive part of why I turned out the way I did. I’m not sure my love of math and science would have survived in isolated rural America otherwise.

joshmanders 3y ago

> I fondly remember my first butthole. It led to tubgirl and to that one video of the fella having his throat cut after being stepped on by a boot. Jesus I remember all of these.

sillysaurusx 3y ago
Shoutout to ogrish. Liveleak wasn’t the same, it had too much other stuff mixed in. It’s a phase. Eventually I stopped wanting to see the videos. I try to be vocal about this (hopefully not in an unsubstantive way) because so few people are willing to say that they saw shock videos, so thank you for voicing that. It otherwise gives the impression that hideous things are harmful, which gives ammunition to authority figures who use the age-old "think of the children" argument. Remember, we narrowly dodged Apple putting sniffers in our phones on the same grounds.
- joshmanders 3y ago
  Not only am I willing to say I saw these, but back in the day I used to run a slew of adult related sites, similar to ogrish, stileproject, steakandcheese, etc and one of them was a site that actually cataloged and provided easy access to all these shock images and websites.
ksaj 3y ago
Lemon Party was pretty big too, if mainly that stupidly catchy tune that came with it.

neilv 3y ago

> One sentiment that’s different from when I was a teen [...] No one wants to do anything even slightly controversial, lest their peers drag them for it. Wasn't that always teen conformity? Kids desperately aligning to one group or another, unless they were popular enough (good-looking, wealthy, good at sports) to cross multiple groups? (Even the "counterculture" groups had uniforms and approved consumer product fashion categories.)

pixl97 3y ago
Eh, not quite sure about that... I was never really concerned about "The thing I am about to do will be recorded for all history and played to the entire world" generally wasn't a concern. Yea, you could do some screwup of epic proportions that made the news, but you'd have to try really hard. Kids these days have a pretty good understanding of "Everything you do is being recorded by someone, even if you don't see it"
- ksaj 3y ago
  Kids in school see cameras watching them everywhere except inside the washrooms and changerooms. In the school my partner works at, there are so many cameras, you are on more than one at any given time, and the cafeteria is crazy loaded with them. So surveillance to them is a nothingburger. Unfortunately it'll be really hard to explain to them as they get older why government surveillance is a bad thing.
  - pixl97 3y ago
    At the same time it's not just big brother surveillance. Kids tend to know their cellphone can track them (in fact there have been articles here about kids wanting their parents to be able to track them), but more so they know each one of their peers has a cellphone that can be used to record their own actions. You don't need big brother when you have an actual brother the could be recording your at any moment. I guess the only thing I can really place it with is how back in the USSR days, us US GenX'ers were always talking about how the KGB gets you because your neighbor turns you in.

pawelduda 3y ago

I remember these innocent looking links friends would bait each other into, that autoplayed explicit videos on full volume with 100s of popups and the browser window that kept jumping around as you tried to catch the close button. IE5 (I think), fun times!

morkalork 3y ago
I distinctly remember one that blasted "I'M LOOKING AT PORN!" at full volume in the computer lab in grade 9. Good times! Edit also remember the throat slitting video. It was somewhere in eastern Europe like Serbia or something? Anyways, nowadays a kid just has to do is scroll through r/all and they'll see videos of Russians and Ukrainians massacring each other so it's not like things are any better now.
- brobinson 3y ago
  The "hey everyone, I'm looking at gay porn!" one was the GNAA's "Last Measure" website which is probably one of the most abusive instances of Flash and Javascript I can recall.
  - morkalork 3y ago
    Yeah that's the one!

anonymouskimmer 3y ago

> I turned out ok, and I don’t think it’s survivorship bias. Ah yes. https://www.logicalfallacies.org/anecdotal.html https://www.logicalfallacies.org/anecdotal.html https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/cutting-edge-leadership/202209/social-contagion-how-others-secretly-control-your-behavior https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/cutting-edge-leade... Personally, goatse was disgusting and I don't like being reminded of it. Did I turn out okay? I could have been better and happier, but that's the distractiveness of the internet and computers in general. Edit to add: This is also, in part, why things get worse. Not only do we continue to add disgusting and horrific content, but we retain the disgusting and horrific content of the past. Meanwhile, how much good content from that era is permanently gone?

TeMPOraL 3y ago

> One sentiment that’s different from when I was a teen till now is that the youth today is so afraid of nameless authorities. No one wants to do anything even slightly controversial, lest their peers drag them for it. I'm an adult with couple decades behind me, and I am afraid of "nameless authorities" - between the law enforcement ready to chase you for real or imagined violations, full-time victims and their allies waiting to Richelieu you out of your job and all the way to international infame, and FAANG with their Hydra-like reach - worming themselves into your life, and then sending it into a downward spiral with an automated, unappealable account ban - I'm often very conscious of what I do online, lest one of such authorities decides to take offense.