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Because no one knows what the death toll is except for what the terrorists are telling us.

tyingq 3y ago
The numbers from the health ministry are historically accurate, and even often cited by the US State Department in the past[1]. Or, if you trust Israel's numbers, they are pretty open that they dropped, for example, 6000 bombs on Gaza in a single week. Very conservatively, a typical JDAM bomb kills everything in a 30-40 meter radius and more deaths out to 10x that distance. That's just bombs, Israel is also using artillery, mortars, drones, small arms, etc. And then there's whatever deaths a water+fuel+food+medicine blockade might cause. Gaza's population density is high and well known, as is the percentage of women and children. Try some emotionless math that tells you thousands of women and children aren't dead...it just doesn't work. [1] https://www.state.gov/reports/2022-country-reports-on-human-rights-practices/israel-west-bank-and-gaza/ https://www.state.gov/reports/2022-country-reports-on-human-...
- Thristle 3y ago
  The precentage of woman and children in the population is known but that is only relevant if you assume Israel is bombing randomly Some civilians evict themselves from these areas (north and central gaza mainly) Some of the bombed areas would have less civilians in them even before the war since they are used by hamas for war (but obviously not 0) Israel publishes the high ranking Hamas members that are confirmed dead but don't report civ/"grunts" Not that I am saying we should take the health ministry word as fact (they lied before, Al-Ahli Hospital is just an example) but I don't think their numbers would be orders of magnitude off
  - tyingq 3y ago
    Mentioned in another comment, but 6000 bombs went into that small area, within a week. Mostly JDAMS that have a really large kill radius. Look at the number of bombs dropped in an entire year, into an entire country, by the US: https://progressive.org/latest/usa-bombs-drop-benjamin-davies-220112/ https://progressive.org/latest/usa-bombs-drop-benjamin-davie... That gives an idea of the scale of the bombing in Gaza...it's HUGE. There's almost certainly an extremely high number of civilian deaths, without having to look at the Gaza Health Ministry numbers at all.
    - ericfrazier 3y ago
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        za3faran 3y ago
        What this conflict did is bring down the mask of the many blood thirsty people in society. It's been sobering to say the least.
      - tyingq 3y ago
        One doesn't justify the other. > due to antisemitism ugh.
karmakurtisaani 3y ago
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- ericfrazier 3y ago
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hypeit 3y ago
What do you think the thousands of bombs Israel is dropping are doing? They've dropped over 7000 bombs according to their own numbers. Is it really hard to believe that each of those only killed 1 person? I think we'll find the death toll is much higher in the end.
za3faran 3y ago
There's a dark joke that the Israelis trust what's coming out of Hamas more than the news coming out of the zionist media. We've seen the comical lies the latter did in order to justify their war crimes, from "40 beheaded babies" to rapes, to human shields, to fabricating a very convenient phone call that happen to tell exactly where the supposed rocket launch came from before the hospital massacre[1], to another fabricated phone call in which the speakers happen to admit that there is an "HQ" underneath the same hospital. It's quite a joke at this point. They also do not admit that the zionist army kills its own people, as per the straight admission of one of the kibutz survivors. Look for the interview on youtube. [1] several sources, and most recently the NYT have shown that the rocket that the zinoist media said it caused the blast in the hospital actually came from israel.
- _kbh_ 3y ago
  > [1] several sources, and most recently the NYT have shown that the rocket that the zinoist media said it caused the blast in the hospital actually came from israel. I haven't seen anything that showed any conclusive proof that the rocket came from Israel, the blast pattern doesn't match any armaments that Israel has airburst or not. I'm happy to change my mind with a link that provides concrete evidence though, can you provide one.
  - za3faran 3y ago
    Read this: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/24/world/middleeast/gaza-hospital-israel-hamas-video.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/24/world/middleeast/gaza-hos... Furthermore, yesterday or 2 days ago, the zionist media released CGI footage of a supposed secret HQ under the hospital. Why now? It seems they are paving the way to justify what may be discovered in the future. The did shell the hospital 3 days before the blast, I wouldn't be surprised if the cause of the blast was another shelling that blew up cars in the parking lot. The zionist media has been desperately lying through its teeth: https://twitter.com/QudsNen/status/1718547315764441095 https://twitter.com/QudsNen/status/1718547315764441095
    - _kbh_ 3y ago

The numbers from the health ministry are historically accurate, and even often cited by the US State Department in the past[1]. Or, if you trust Israel's numbers, they are pretty open that they dropped, for example, 6000 bombs on Gaza in a single week. Very conservatively, a typical JDAM bomb kills everything in a 30-40 meter radius and more deaths out to 10x that distance. That's just bombs, Israel is also using artillery, mortars, drones, small arms, etc. And then there's whatever deaths a water+fuel+food+medicine blockade might cause. Gaza's population density is high and well known, as is the percentage of women and children. Try some emotionless math that tells you thousands of women and children aren't dead...it just doesn't work. [1] https://www.state.gov/reports/2022-country-reports-on-human-rights-practices/israel-west-bank-and-gaza/ https://www.state.gov/reports/2022-country-reports-on-human-...

Thristle 3y ago
The precentage of woman and children in the population is known but that is only relevant if you assume Israel is bombing randomly Some civilians evict themselves from these areas (north and central gaza mainly) Some of the bombed areas would have less civilians in them even before the war since they are used by hamas for war (but obviously not 0) Israel publishes the high ranking Hamas members that are confirmed dead but don't report civ/"grunts" Not that I am saying we should take the health ministry word as fact (they lied before, Al-Ahli Hospital is just an example) but I don't think their numbers would be orders of magnitude off
- tyingq 3y ago
  Mentioned in another comment, but 6000 bombs went into that small area, within a week. Mostly JDAMS that have a really large kill radius. Look at the number of bombs dropped in an entire year, into an entire country, by the US: https://progressive.org/latest/usa-bombs-drop-benjamin-davies-220112/ https://progressive.org/latest/usa-bombs-drop-benjamin-davie... That gives an idea of the scale of the bombing in Gaza...it's HUGE. There's almost certainly an extremely high number of civilian deaths, without having to look at the Gaza Health Ministry numbers at all.
  - ericfrazier 3y ago
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        za3faran 3y ago
        What this conflict did is bring down the mask of the many blood thirsty people in society. It's been sobering to say the least.
    - tyingq 3y ago
      One doesn't justify the other. > due to antisemitism ugh.

karmakurtisaani 3y ago

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ericfrazier 3y ago
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hypeit 3y ago

What do you think the thousands of bombs Israel is dropping are doing? They've dropped over 7000 bombs according to their own numbers. Is it really hard to believe that each of those only killed 1 person? I think we'll find the death toll is much higher in the end.

za3faran 3y ago

There's a dark joke that the Israelis trust what's coming out of Hamas more than the news coming out of the zionist media. We've seen the comical lies the latter did in order to justify their war crimes, from "40 beheaded babies" to rapes, to human shields, to fabricating a very convenient phone call that happen to tell exactly where the supposed rocket launch came from before the hospital massacre[1], to another fabricated phone call in which the speakers happen to admit that there is an "HQ" underneath the same hospital. It's quite a joke at this point. They also do not admit that the zionist army kills its own people, as per the straight admission of one of the kibutz survivors. Look for the interview on youtube. [1] several sources, and most recently the NYT have shown that the rocket that the zinoist media said it caused the blast in the hospital actually came from israel.

_kbh_ 3y ago
> [1] several sources, and most recently the NYT have shown that the rocket that the zinoist media said it caused the blast in the hospital actually came from israel. I haven't seen anything that showed any conclusive proof that the rocket came from Israel, the blast pattern doesn't match any armaments that Israel has airburst or not. I'm happy to change my mind with a link that provides concrete evidence though, can you provide one.
- za3faran 3y ago
  Read this: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/24/world/middleeast/gaza-hospital-israel-hamas-video.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/24/world/middleeast/gaza-hos... Furthermore, yesterday or 2 days ago, the zionist media released CGI footage of a supposed secret HQ under the hospital. Why now? It seems they are paving the way to justify what may be discovered in the future. The did shell the hospital 3 days before the blast, I wouldn't be surprised if the cause of the blast was another shelling that blew up cars in the parking lot. The zionist media has been desperately lying through its teeth: https://twitter.com/QudsNen/status/1718547315764441095 https://twitter.com/QudsNen/status/1718547315764441095
  - _kbh_ 3y ago