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Have You Seen Me?: Missing Works of Nineteenth-Century American Literature

cxr 3y ago
Does anyone know of a place where people request scans of public domain material that hasn't yet been digitized? Every time I'm in the stacks of a well-stocked library, I feel like I should be making the most of it, but the only thing I know of that comes close is /r/Scholar, and it's not a ready source of requests that are limited strictly to items that are legally in the clear...
- qingcharles 3y ago
  Perhaps this place? https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/ https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/ I am always looking for magazines that haven't yet been scanned for Magazedia (magazine encyclopedia).
- MollyRealized 3y ago
  It would be a good question to ask Jason Scott of the Internet Archive [1]. When you hear of the Internet Archive swooping in and saving a warehouse of 1980s games manuals, etc., he is usually the one behind that effort. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Scott https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Scott
  - textfiles 3y ago
    I showed up and got an excellent pushback.
- livrem 3y ago
  I am always looking for old boardgames (and, to clarify: many 19th century boardgames were published just as a book; you had to construct your own components based on instructions in the book). I have managed to track down some, and received scans and/or photos from several libraries and museums (in five different countries; not counting the excellent online archive of scanned boardgames available from the National Library in Finland, since those were already available without me having to order anything), but I have a list of games I have not yet been able to locate (or games that I have not found images of all components yet; it is quite annoying to have the rulebook but not the game board!). Makes me sad that maybe some of those games are partially or completely lost. Of course there must be many, many games I never even heard of. So... anything related to old boardgames is of interest. Even if there are boring roll-and-move games, or games I am not interested in like chess or checkers, I still like the idea of trying to get as much game history preserved and available online as possible.
  - mycall 3y ago
    Check out lostandfoundgames.com. If it doesn't exist, it should.
- textfiles 3y ago
  So, the internet archive scans an average of 3,500 books a day, so hopefully we will get to it.
  - cxr 3y ago
    Boy, these responses to the question I asked are terrible. They must have gotten loose on their way to a "Dear Lazyweb" post by jwz.
    - textfiles 3y ago
      Complaining about the answers gotten is always a surefire way to acquire more quality ones.
      - deleted 3y ago
        [deleted]
      - cxr 3y ago
        ... what?
rudyfink 3y ago
Preservation is one of the central problems of current copyright terms. By the time the term exhausts--in the U.S., now around 95 years for works for hire or life plus 75 years for author's works--the work may be completely lost. In my opinion, this will only get worse as we progress into the digital era. At least with physical copies, there is some chance an instance of the work might survive the needed gulf of time.
- qingcharles 3y ago
  This is already happening in the magazine space that I'm active in. There are some magazines that appear to be completely lost. Especially first issues that were low print runs. Edit: Just to add.. some entire runs of magazines are being destroyed: nudist magazines from the 50s-80s are almost entirely being burned, because while they are legal, they exist on a borderline that can easily imprison someone. I know of one library that has hoarded 14,000 issues and scanned every one of them but does not allow access since the optics on such magazines is so maligned.
  - ghaff 3y ago
    One has to believe that, before electronic formats became common, there were a ton of niche hobbyist and other magazines that never made their way into a library, mostly ended up in the trash because the owners didn't want to move them to a new house, and no one has bothered to digitize them and upload them--especially as they're probably technically violating someone's copyright. I know I have copies of some niche things that aren't online anywhere as far as I know--and, absent digitization and upload--will presumably fade from existence at some point.
    - qingcharles 3y ago
      Yeah, just one quick look on Craigslist and you will see dozens of people throwing out thousands of magazines for free just to get someone to lift them. If I had the space I would take every one of them, but I don't right now. Maybe in a few months. I'm going to start trying to raise capital to take them all and scan all the missing ones. Most magazines in existence are now copyright orphans.
qingcharles 3y ago
Some of these might reappear. I am currently trying to catalog and upload millions of donated magazine PDFs from various sources. One thing is that a large number of them are not OCR'd, so there is no way to search them. I am fixing that. Then I am feeding all the raw text into Claude.ai and trying to get a summary of what articles and authors are contained in the magazines. That way at least it can be cataloged and searched. It is mind-blowing how many authors actually had all their earliest works printed in magazines, not in books.

cxr 3y ago

Does anyone know of a place where people request scans of public domain material that hasn't yet been digitized? Every time I'm in the stacks of a well-stocked library, I feel like I should be making the most of it, but the only thing I know of that comes close is /r/Scholar, and it's not a ready source of requests that are limited strictly to items that are legally in the clear...

qingcharles 3y ago
Perhaps this place? https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/ https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/ I am always looking for magazines that haven't yet been scanned for Magazedia (magazine encyclopedia).
MollyRealized 3y ago
It would be a good question to ask Jason Scott of the Internet Archive [1]. When you hear of the Internet Archive swooping in and saving a warehouse of 1980s games manuals, etc., he is usually the one behind that effort. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Scott https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Scott
- textfiles 3y ago
  I showed up and got an excellent pushback.
livrem 3y ago
I am always looking for old boardgames (and, to clarify: many 19th century boardgames were published just as a book; you had to construct your own components based on instructions in the book). I have managed to track down some, and received scans and/or photos from several libraries and museums (in five different countries; not counting the excellent online archive of scanned boardgames available from the National Library in Finland, since those were already available without me having to order anything), but I have a list of games I have not yet been able to locate (or games that I have not found images of all components yet; it is quite annoying to have the rulebook but not the game board!). Makes me sad that maybe some of those games are partially or completely lost. Of course there must be many, many games I never even heard of. So... anything related to old boardgames is of interest. Even if there are boring roll-and-move games, or games I am not interested in like chess or checkers, I still like the idea of trying to get as much game history preserved and available online as possible.
- mycall 3y ago
  Check out lostandfoundgames.com. If it doesn't exist, it should.
textfiles 3y ago
So, the internet archive scans an average of 3,500 books a day, so hopefully we will get to it.
- cxr 3y ago
  Boy, these responses to the question I asked are terrible. They must have gotten loose on their way to a "Dear Lazyweb" post by jwz.
  - textfiles 3y ago
    Complaining about the answers gotten is always a surefire way to acquire more quality ones.
    - deleted 3y ago
      [deleted]
    - cxr 3y ago
      ... what?

rudyfink 3y ago

Preservation is one of the central problems of current copyright terms. By the time the term exhausts--in the U.S., now around 95 years for works for hire or life plus 75 years for author's works--the work may be completely lost. In my opinion, this will only get worse as we progress into the digital era. At least with physical copies, there is some chance an instance of the work might survive the needed gulf of time.

qingcharles 3y ago
This is already happening in the magazine space that I'm active in. There are some magazines that appear to be completely lost. Especially first issues that were low print runs. Edit: Just to add.. some entire runs of magazines are being destroyed: nudist magazines from the 50s-80s are almost entirely being burned, because while they are legal, they exist on a borderline that can easily imprison someone. I know of one library that has hoarded 14,000 issues and scanned every one of them but does not allow access since the optics on such magazines is so maligned.
- ghaff 3y ago
  One has to believe that, before electronic formats became common, there were a ton of niche hobbyist and other magazines that never made their way into a library, mostly ended up in the trash because the owners didn't want to move them to a new house, and no one has bothered to digitize them and upload them--especially as they're probably technically violating someone's copyright. I know I have copies of some niche things that aren't online anywhere as far as I know--and, absent digitization and upload--will presumably fade from existence at some point.
  - qingcharles 3y ago
    Yeah, just one quick look on Craigslist and you will see dozens of people throwing out thousands of magazines for free just to get someone to lift them. If I had the space I would take every one of them, but I don't right now. Maybe in a few months. I'm going to start trying to raise capital to take them all and scan all the missing ones. Most magazines in existence are now copyright orphans.

qingcharles 3y ago

Some of these might reappear. I am currently trying to catalog and upload millions of donated magazine PDFs from various sources. One thing is that a large number of them are not OCR'd, so there is no way to search them. I am fixing that. Then I am feeding all the raw text into Claude.ai and trying to get a summary of what articles and authors are contained in the magazines. That way at least it can be cataloged and searched. It is mind-blowing how many authors actually had all their earliest works printed in magazines, not in books.