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Maybe the earth/environment collapsing around them while nobody does anything to fix it is also depressing.

klyrs 3y ago
Why not both? Adults are no less depressed/anxious about being powerless to fix the environment, but they do have power over their children...
timeon 3y ago
Helicopter parenting forces kids to live in car-in-between nodes.
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Lammy 3y ago
Or at least all the constant doomsaying about it
- MrRolleyes 3y ago
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skrebbel 3y ago
Nobody? All the solar stats are up and the right, IEA expects fossil fuel consumption will soon plateau, solar panel prices keep going down faster than experts predict, seas are getting flooded with windmill parks etc etc.
- hiAndrewQuinn 3y ago
  I don't see why you're getting downvoted. There is an ocean of difference between "we're on track to fix things" and "nobody's doing anything at all", yes, but it does nobody any good to pretend we haven't even gotten on the boat yet. They'll just reach the assumption that it's 100% hopeless.
  - skrebbel 3y ago
    Thanks. I was rather confused as well so I just assumed that it’s people who are so attached to their doomsday conviction they actively block good news.
    - ben_w 3y ago
      I've also been surprised by witnessing a bit of that here recently. I guess the names "last generation" and "extinction rebellion" are sincere.
      - skrebbel 3y ago
        Fwiw I see the extinction rebellion groups as a beacon of hope (even if they’re way more pessimistic than I am). I live in NL and as far as I can see their work is actually beginning to move the needle. You don’t go sit on a highway and block all traffic with 200 people for a month straight if you believe it’s all futile anyway.
        ben_w 3y ago
        Good point. I was focussing a bit too much on the "extinction" and not on the "rebellion" part.
  - southerntofu 3y ago
    No, we haven't gotten on the boat. Who cares how dirty energy is when so much of it is wasted? Who cares if electricity comes from solar or wind, if you're still adding PFAS to any furniture and other dirty chemicals in all food supply chains. Industrial lobbies (aka "green capitalism") are trying to frame the debate as a question of clean energies, but for decades scientists have known and studied that consuming less, and more durable products is the only way out of this global crisis. Another example, industrial organic agriculture (yes that's a thing) is still very damaging to the environment in many ways (eg. contributing to desertification of soils), while permaculture/agroforestry is good for everyone but less profitable. So i replied to the original comment in good faith, but such arguments are usually pushed by industrialists who explicitly profit from destroying the environment and silencing the narratives of actual scientists and environmentalists. Capitalism is what destroyed everything (see also scientists naming this geological era "capitalocene"), and nothing it can produce it can fix the inherent death-bringing at its core.
- southerntofu 3y ago
  What you're saying is similar to claiming fixing a leak on your faucet is gonna fix the global water crisis we are starting to face. Assuming you are in good faith, you are probably very uninformed about the state of the climate crisis, pollution crisis, and everything that comes along. We are far from the targets set by IPCC to ensure human survival, and they are one of the most optimistic organizations out there when it comes to projections, as some indicators are now much worse than their "worst scenario" projections. Solar panels isn't gonna cut it. No single isolated change is gonna cut it. Nothing short of a global revolution tearing down industrial capitalism and consumerist culture. I mean, a solarpunk alternative sounds great, but is so far 100% unrealistic, while local-first permaculture-oriented anarchic societies have proved their worth/resilience throughout history/pre-history.
  - skrebbel 3y ago
    1. You’re responding to a straw man. I never said it’s all fixed and solved. I merely said that there’s a nonzero amount of people working on the solution, which even a turbo pessimist like you has got to agree with. 2. But to respond to said straw man anyway, I believe that you’re severely underestimating the single good thing about capitalism: it can cause exponential growth, in bad ways but also good. We’re now at the point where renewable energy can be cheaper than fossil fuels, and the gap is widening. Those evil nasty greedy capitalists who you despise so much are going to want in on that deal and once they do, there’s no stopping them (except for governments not giving out permits for solar parks and wind parks and so on). Investment will keep increasing, the technology will keep getting cheaper and more plentiful. There can be a huge demand and supply cycle for renewable energy spinning way out of control if only we let it. Where I live (NL) the government is the single biggest bottleneck. They just decided against (!) allowing more solar parks on fields, they take up to a decade to OK wind parks in the North Sea etc etc. To say you want more of that bureaucratic mess, and less commercial investment in the solution, frankly, that’s insane to me. I agree with you that capitalism caused this thing, but I believe that we’re so far out already that nothing but capitalism can move fast enough to fix it.
  - twodave 3y ago
    Oh, well if _that’s_ all it’ll take… you may as well stop talking or worrying about it and just enjoy your life since nothing short of a global extinction event will make a dent.
- CalRobert 3y ago
  Sure, though there's an avalanche of horrible news too. The non-anthropogenic rise in methane suggests we may have triggered feedback loops we can't stop.
chiefalchemist 3y ago
My belief as well. "Hey kids. You're inheriting a cluster fuck. There's hate, and war, and gloom & doom around every corner. But look, we give you...The Kardashians!!! And never forget, here's a never ending list of things you need to worry about...Don't go outside, it's dangerous. Eat this shite fake food and they worry about your heakth...and so on..." But it's social media to blame??? That disconnect would be funny if it wasn't so sad.
bregma 3y ago
Maybe. Growing up in the 1960s we all expected to die in the imminent nuclear holocaust. That was a relatively good thing because if we didn't most people were expected to perish from mass starvation by the year 2000 due to the global population bomb. But yeah, kids today have it hard because their future looks bleak.

Why not both? Adults are no less depressed/anxious about being powerless to fix the environment, but they do have power over their children...

timeon 3y ago

Helicopter parenting forces kids to live in car-in-between nodes.

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Lammy 3y ago

Or at least all the constant doomsaying about it

MrRolleyes 3y ago
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skrebbel 3y ago

Nobody? All the solar stats are up and the right, IEA expects fossil fuel consumption will soon plateau, solar panel prices keep going down faster than experts predict, seas are getting flooded with windmill parks etc etc.

hiAndrewQuinn 3y ago
I don't see why you're getting downvoted. There is an ocean of difference between "we're on track to fix things" and "nobody's doing anything at all", yes, but it does nobody any good to pretend we haven't even gotten on the boat yet. They'll just reach the assumption that it's 100% hopeless.
- skrebbel 3y ago
  Thanks. I was rather confused as well so I just assumed that it’s people who are so attached to their doomsday conviction they actively block good news.
  - ben_w 3y ago
    I've also been surprised by witnessing a bit of that here recently. I guess the names "last generation" and "extinction rebellion" are sincere.
    - skrebbel 3y ago
      Fwiw I see the extinction rebellion groups as a beacon of hope (even if they’re way more pessimistic than I am). I live in NL and as far as I can see their work is actually beginning to move the needle. You don’t go sit on a highway and block all traffic with 200 people for a month straight if you believe it’s all futile anyway.
      - ben_w 3y ago
        Good point. I was focussing a bit too much on the "extinction" and not on the "rebellion" part.
- southerntofu 3y ago
  No, we haven't gotten on the boat. Who cares how dirty energy is when so much of it is wasted? Who cares if electricity comes from solar or wind, if you're still adding PFAS to any furniture and other dirty chemicals in all food supply chains. Industrial lobbies (aka "green capitalism") are trying to frame the debate as a question of clean energies, but for decades scientists have known and studied that consuming less, and more durable products is the only way out of this global crisis. Another example, industrial organic agriculture (yes that's a thing) is still very damaging to the environment in many ways (eg. contributing to desertification of soils), while permaculture/agroforestry is good for everyone but less profitable. So i replied to the original comment in good faith, but such arguments are usually pushed by industrialists who explicitly profit from destroying the environment and silencing the narratives of actual scientists and environmentalists. Capitalism is what destroyed everything (see also scientists naming this geological era "capitalocene"), and nothing it can produce it can fix the inherent death-bringing at its core.
southerntofu 3y ago
What you're saying is similar to claiming fixing a leak on your faucet is gonna fix the global water crisis we are starting to face. Assuming you are in good faith, you are probably very uninformed about the state of the climate crisis, pollution crisis, and everything that comes along. We are far from the targets set by IPCC to ensure human survival, and they are one of the most optimistic organizations out there when it comes to projections, as some indicators are now much worse than their "worst scenario" projections. Solar panels isn't gonna cut it. No single isolated change is gonna cut it. Nothing short of a global revolution tearing down industrial capitalism and consumerist culture. I mean, a solarpunk alternative sounds great, but is so far 100% unrealistic, while local-first permaculture-oriented anarchic societies have proved their worth/resilience throughout history/pre-history.
- skrebbel 3y ago
  1. You’re responding to a straw man. I never said it’s all fixed and solved. I merely said that there’s a nonzero amount of people working on the solution, which even a turbo pessimist like you has got to agree with. 2. But to respond to said straw man anyway, I believe that you’re severely underestimating the single good thing about capitalism: it can cause exponential growth, in bad ways but also good. We’re now at the point where renewable energy can be cheaper than fossil fuels, and the gap is widening. Those evil nasty greedy capitalists who you despise so much are going to want in on that deal and once they do, there’s no stopping them (except for governments not giving out permits for solar parks and wind parks and so on). Investment will keep increasing, the technology will keep getting cheaper and more plentiful. There can be a huge demand and supply cycle for renewable energy spinning way out of control if only we let it. Where I live (NL) the government is the single biggest bottleneck. They just decided against (!) allowing more solar parks on fields, they take up to a decade to OK wind parks in the North Sea etc etc. To say you want more of that bureaucratic mess, and less commercial investment in the solution, frankly, that’s insane to me. I agree with you that capitalism caused this thing, but I believe that we’re so far out already that nothing but capitalism can move fast enough to fix it.
- twodave 3y ago
  Oh, well if _that’s_ all it’ll take… you may as well stop talking or worrying about it and just enjoy your life since nothing short of a global extinction event will make a dent.
CalRobert 3y ago
Sure, though there's an avalanche of horrible news too. The non-anthropogenic rise in methane suggests we may have triggered feedback loops we can't stop.

chiefalchemist 3y ago

My belief as well. "Hey kids. You're inheriting a cluster fuck. There's hate, and war, and gloom & doom around every corner. But look, we give you...The Kardashians!!! And never forget, here's a never ending list of things you need to worry about...Don't go outside, it's dangerous. Eat this shite fake food and they worry about your heakth...and so on..." But it's social media to blame??? That disconnect would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

bregma 3y ago

Maybe. Growing up in the 1960s we all expected to die in the imminent nuclear holocaust. That was a relatively good thing because if we didn't most people were expected to perish from mass starvation by the year 2000 due to the global population bomb. But yeah, kids today have it hard because their future looks bleak.