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I suspect a big part of the problem is that people who advocate for improved social services also seem to uncannily be opposed to any sort of criminal punishmen

I suspect a big part of the problem is that people who advocate for improved social services also seem to uncannily be opposed to any sort of criminal punishments at all. It makes it hard for the average person to take these suggestions seriously.

autoexec 3y ago
> people who advocate for improved social services also seem to uncannily be opposed to any sort of criminal punishments at all. I've never once met anyone who felt that way. I'd actually like to have the chance. People might not want criminals tortured, might not want people imprisoned unnecessarily, might not want people arrested for things that should never have been crimes in the first place, but I'm pretty skeptical that there's any substantial number of people who don't want to see serial killers kept away from the public or who feel that all crimes should go unaddressed entirely.
- WD40forRust 3y ago
  >serial killers kept away from the public That's not punishment, that's social risk management. Punishment is the deprivation of dignity which the system imposes. Those cells should be a minimum of two-star hotel, the doors should be mostly controlled by the occupants, they should be treated in a dignified manner like any member of the public, they should be paid competitive wages for their work, any housing and restitution charges on those wages should be capped at 1/2 and commissary must charge median prices so as to encourage savings and financial independence on release, etc. There's also eliminating custodial sentencing for acute nonviolent crimes.
DoreenMichele 3y ago
Haters gonna hate. I'm extremely tired of having words put in my mouth. My father was a two-time decorated veteran. I was a military wife a lot of years. Vitamins for convicts could save taxpayers money https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16140867 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16140867 My decade as a fugitive https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21481540 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21481540 Both have comments by me if anyone wants to know what I think and not what people want to imagine about me.
- AussieWog93 3y ago
  Nobody's putting words in your mouth, Doreen. Simply offering up an opinion as to why your (honestly good) idea would be dismissed outright by the powers that be.
wodenokoto 3y ago
That’s quite the straw man argument.
dicknuckle 3y ago
That's an incredible generalization that may or may not be rooted in being Terminally Online.

autoexec 3y ago

> people who advocate for improved social services also seem to uncannily be opposed to any sort of criminal punishments at all. I've never once met anyone who felt that way. I'd actually like to have the chance. People might not want criminals tortured, might not want people imprisoned unnecessarily, might not want people arrested for things that should never have been crimes in the first place, but I'm pretty skeptical that there's any substantial number of people who don't want to see serial killers kept away from the public or who feel that all crimes should go unaddressed entirely.

WD40forRust 3y ago
>serial killers kept away from the public That's not punishment, that's social risk management. Punishment is the deprivation of dignity which the system imposes. Those cells should be a minimum of two-star hotel, the doors should be mostly controlled by the occupants, they should be treated in a dignified manner like any member of the public, they should be paid competitive wages for their work, any housing and restitution charges on those wages should be capped at 1/2 and commissary must charge median prices so as to encourage savings and financial independence on release, etc. There's also eliminating custodial sentencing for acute nonviolent crimes.

DoreenMichele 3y ago

Haters gonna hate. I'm extremely tired of having words put in my mouth. My father was a two-time decorated veteran. I was a military wife a lot of years. Vitamins for convicts could save taxpayers money https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16140867 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16140867 My decade as a fugitive https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21481540 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21481540 Both have comments by me if anyone wants to know what I think and not what people want to imagine about me.

AussieWog93 3y ago
Nobody's putting words in your mouth, Doreen. Simply offering up an opinion as to why your (honestly good) idea would be dismissed outright by the powers that be.

wodenokoto 3y ago

That’s quite the straw man argument.

dicknuckle 3y ago

That's an incredible generalization that may or may not be rooted in being Terminally Online.