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Only what Israeli press published at the time. I doubt they would pick that as their first major target if it didn't have some connection to the Hamas.

bluish29 3y ago
So you don't have a solid evidence that you can share and instead relying on "They wouldn't pick that as first major target if it wasn't " as some sort of evidence that you felt is enough to repeat the claim without even mentioning that there is no evidence available? I don't think you are being honest here.
- invalidname 3y ago
  I can probably find the Israeli paper article from the first day of the war but you said you won't believe it anyway. So what's the point? What evidence do you have that the Israeli intelligence was wrong in this case?
  - bluish29 3y ago
    When people are asking for evidence. They are asking about hard evidence that prove the claim. The claim here that it was bombed because it contains hamas offices used for military purposes and this is why isreal bombed. Well isreal by your say have some evidence that it was the case. Did they provide this evidence? The evidence here is not a press release of isreali government/military saying that they destroyed it because it was being used by hamas for military purposes. They can say whatever they want and you can do, but without providing evidence this becomes a lie. Note that I am here talking about very specific case and claim. If you want to say hamas lie too that's fine but completely irrelevant in our context here. We are talking about this specific claim and this specific claims because I don't want this to go in general direction. And the burden of proof is on you not you. You claimed something and you should provide the evidence. Don't try to tweak things by redirecting the question
    - invalidname 3y ago
      Again. I don't have that but you don't have the counter evidence that it didn't exist. Show me evidence of any bombing from any western country in any campaign ever... I get that Israel should be held to a higher standard than the Hamas. But your specific attitude makes no sense. Intelligence information is internal, wartime bombings target decisions are privileged information.
      - bluish29 3y ago
        > I don't have that but you don't have the counter evidence that it didn't exist This is not the problem, people who claim something have to provide the evidence if asked, you don't respond to them by re-directing the question and ask them for counter-proof. At least in the normal world. I don't know about you. > I get that Israel should be held to a higher standard than the Hamas Providing evidence to claims is now a higher standard? man you live in a wild world. > But your specific attitude makes no sense. Intelligence information is internal, wartime bombings target decisions are privileged information So they can attack and kill anyone and claim they were military targets, and when asked for evidence then they will not provide because it is internal? Do you know what claims without evidence can be considered, yes propaganda like the one you tried to spread in this comment which is our discussion context.
        invalidname 3y ago
        > This is not the problem, people who claim something have to provide the evidence if asked No we don't. However, I did provide evidence which you choose to ignore. You also claim that the army would bomb a place for no real reason which just doesn't make sense. Especially for the first target in a campaign. It's you who should provide evidence, not me. > > But your specific attitude makes no sense. Intelligence information is internal, wartime bombings target decisions are privileged information > > So they can attack and kill anyone and claim they were military targets, and when asked for evidence then they will not provide because it is internal? Nonsense. This is an attack on a building. Bombing is a coarse instrument and the IDF holds regular briefings where they provide evidence. All the papers spent a day claiming Israel bombed a hospital killing 500 people. Total lie and the Hamas knew it when they came out with it. The IDF gathers and provides evidence for relevant situations (e.g. the Hospital bombing). It is accountable unlike the Hamas which is not.

bluish29 3y ago

So you don't have a solid evidence that you can share and instead relying on "They wouldn't pick that as first major target if it wasn't " as some sort of evidence that you felt is enough to repeat the claim without even mentioning that there is no evidence available? I don't think you are being honest here.

invalidname 3y ago
I can probably find the Israeli paper article from the first day of the war but you said you won't believe it anyway. So what's the point? What evidence do you have that the Israeli intelligence was wrong in this case?
- bluish29 3y ago
  When people are asking for evidence. They are asking about hard evidence that prove the claim. The claim here that it was bombed because it contains hamas offices used for military purposes and this is why isreal bombed. Well isreal by your say have some evidence that it was the case. Did they provide this evidence? The evidence here is not a press release of isreali government/military saying that they destroyed it because it was being used by hamas for military purposes. They can say whatever they want and you can do, but without providing evidence this becomes a lie. Note that I am here talking about very specific case and claim. If you want to say hamas lie too that's fine but completely irrelevant in our context here. We are talking about this specific claim and this specific claims because I don't want this to go in general direction. And the burden of proof is on you not you. You claimed something and you should provide the evidence. Don't try to tweak things by redirecting the question
  - invalidname 3y ago
    Again. I don't have that but you don't have the counter evidence that it didn't exist. Show me evidence of any bombing from any western country in any campaign ever... I get that Israel should be held to a higher standard than the Hamas. But your specific attitude makes no sense. Intelligence information is internal, wartime bombings target decisions are privileged information.
    - bluish29 3y ago
      > I don't have that but you don't have the counter evidence that it didn't exist This is not the problem, people who claim something have to provide the evidence if asked, you don't respond to them by re-directing the question and ask them for counter-proof. At least in the normal world. I don't know about you. > I get that Israel should be held to a higher standard than the Hamas Providing evidence to claims is now a higher standard? man you live in a wild world. > But your specific attitude makes no sense. Intelligence information is internal, wartime bombings target decisions are privileged information So they can attack and kill anyone and claim they were military targets, and when asked for evidence then they will not provide because it is internal? Do you know what claims without evidence can be considered, yes propaganda like the one you tried to spread in this comment which is our discussion context.
      - invalidname 3y ago
        > This is not the problem, people who claim something have to provide the evidence if asked No we don't. However, I did provide evidence which you choose to ignore. You also claim that the army would bomb a place for no real reason which just doesn't make sense. Especially for the first target in a campaign. It's you who should provide evidence, not me. > > But your specific attitude makes no sense. Intelligence information is internal, wartime bombings target decisions are privileged information > > So they can attack and kill anyone and claim they were military targets, and when asked for evidence then they will not provide because it is internal? Nonsense. This is an attack on a building. Bombing is a coarse instrument and the IDF holds regular briefings where they provide evidence. All the papers spent a day claiming Israel bombed a hospital killing 500 people. Total lie and the Hamas knew it when they came out with it. The IDF gathers and provides evidence for relevant situations (e.g. the Hospital bombing). It is accountable unlike the Hamas which is not.