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There's extra context which is the suicide bombing campaign by Hamas after Rabin was murdered. That is the true cause of the collapse of the Oslo process and t

by YZF 3y ago

There's extra context which is the suicide bombing campaign by Hamas after Rabin was murdered. That is the true cause of the collapse of the Oslo process and the shift in Israeli public opinion from the majority supporting a two state solution of some form to the the majority believing Israel can never co-exist with the Palestinian Arabs.

jacquesm 3y ago
Yes, that's true, but that wasn't what killed Rabin. If Rabin had not been murdered I would have put a good chance on the Oslo process becoming ratified and that at least would have established some way of de-escalation. Just like in Northern Ireland: you need goodwill on both sides to make progress, regardless of what happened before. The fact that both of those conflicts are at the root religious conflicts is probably not a coincidence. Believing Israel can not co-exist with the Palestinian Arabs is as good as bankrupting the state of Israel or accepting eternal conflict, neither of which are good outcomes. This won't last.
- YZF 3y ago
  This is a tough one. I don't think it's anything like Northern Ireland. Likely the only workable solution is a single state solution with some special protections for the Jewish people. Maybe a federation of some sorts. This is not going to happen in this generation. Given the demographics of the region I'm not sure it'll ever happen. Unfortunately the future looks bleak, more so for the Arabs, but really for everyone.
  - jacquesm 3y ago
    I think we're pretty much in agreement here. But like you I don't see it happening soon and possibly not ever. My biggest fear is some dirty bomb attack on a large Israeli city. And all of this mess is just feeding into the pathways that may well enable such a thing to happen in the future, there is a lot to lose on both sides and the fanatics are only making things much, much worse.

by YZF 3y ago

jacquesm 3y ago

Yes, that's true, but that wasn't what killed Rabin. If Rabin had not been murdered I would have put a good chance on the Oslo process becoming ratified and that at least would have established some way of de-escalation. Just like in Northern Ireland: you need goodwill on both sides to make progress, regardless of what happened before. The fact that both of those conflicts are at the root religious conflicts is probably not a coincidence. Believing Israel can not co-exist with the Palestinian Arabs is as good as bankrupting the state of Israel or accepting eternal conflict, neither of which are good outcomes. This won't last.

YZF 3y ago
This is a tough one. I don't think it's anything like Northern Ireland. Likely the only workable solution is a single state solution with some special protections for the Jewish people. Maybe a federation of some sorts. This is not going to happen in this generation. Given the demographics of the region I'm not sure it'll ever happen. Unfortunately the future looks bleak, more so for the Arabs, but really for everyone.
- jacquesm 3y ago
  I think we're pretty much in agreement here. But like you I don't see it happening soon and possibly not ever. My biggest fear is some dirty bomb attack on a large Israeli city. And all of this mess is just feeding into the pathways that may well enable such a thing to happen in the future, there is a lot to lose on both sides and the fanatics are only making things much, much worse.