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excuse my naivete, but if they're giving two week notice about bombings, why even waste the ordinance?

yowzadave 3y ago
Right, is the idea that it will be helpful to just make everybody homeless?
DoreenMichele 3y ago
As another person who doesn't understand what's going on, I'm seeing articles that indicate they are effectively trying to drive people out and force them to leave and move to other countries and not come back and trying to use low cost tactics like telling them to evacuate to limit actual cost as well as international pushback. And some people are saying "That's a big fat nope."
- invalidname 3y ago
  Historically in 1948 Palestinians left their home and due to ongoing wars were never able to come back. Effectively they lost their home. They're afraid this is happening again. Honestly, I don't know if it is or if it isn't. But what can Israel do here? Israel said the area they will target which puts its soldiers at risk. In the interest of avoiding civilian casualties. Israel already withdrew settlements from Gaza so the chances of this coming back is pretty slim. It's a pretty terrible situation for the Palestinian people and it's 100% the fault of Hamas. Unfortunately, if Israel won't destroy the Hamas now this will happen again and it will be worse.
  - DoreenMichele 3y ago
    Historically in 1948 Palestinians left their home and due to ongoing wars were never able to come back. Effectively they lost their home. They're afraid this is happening again. Yes, that's what I've been reading. Various nations do not want to welcome "temporary refugees" because they feel they've seen this before and it will not be temporary. There will be no going back if that option is accepted. I have no idea what "should" be done. I'm still trying to understand the situation. There are deep and bitter roots. All parties to the conflict have grievances and there are no obvious solutions to seemingly anyone, especially not some sort of win-win talking points solutions.
    - invalidname 3y ago
      This is actually pretty simple and people keep complicating it with History. The Hamas charter is that the entirety of Israel belongs to the Palestinian and should be an Islamic state. Their roots are in the Muslim Brotherhood (from al-qaeda, ISIS fame). When the Oslo accord was signed and peace broke out, they started blowing up busses with suicide bombers (and coffee shops and many other things). They essentially destroyed the chance for peace, enabled the rise of Benjamin Netanyahu and moved Israel to the right. Netanyahu actually supported them and helped them financially due to a misconception that they will prevent the formation of a Palestinian state due to their extremism (yes, he really is THAT stupid). Unfortunately, despite their leaders sitting on buckets of cash in Qatar etc. They made a very deliberate choice of burning down Israel. They are the main reason we don't have a Palestinian state. They would literally pay with the blood of their own people due to a crazy religious interpretation. It's not about hate, it's not about revenge. They are a cancer on their own people. They are killing them and Israelis. They will burn everything down. Unfortunately, like any cancer they're embedded deep and rooting that out is painful and almost impossible. People don't understand this, they think that peace or ceasefire are always the best options. But there are these very rare occasions where evil must be eliminated for the sake of everyone involved.
      - DoreenMichele 3y ago
        From what I gather, the current stated goal of Israel is the elimination of Hamas and the US supports that and even China seems to have dropped their opposition and announced "They have a right to defend themselves." So perhaps it will get resolved.
- bawolff 3y ago
  > indicate they are effectively trying to drive people out and force them to leave and move to other countries I mean, this is obviously untrue since there is no other country they can go to. Gaza shares a border with only israel and egypt and neither is letting anyone leave (a fucked up situation for the innocents caught in the middle)
  - pauldenton 3y ago
    If you really believe that Europe and America aren't going to receive any refugees from Gaza I have a bridge to sell you
    - bawolff 3y ago
      Well they haven't thus far. Hard to predict the future, but as it stands the borders are closed.
bawolff 3y ago
I assume israel wants to take out equipment, sieze strategic positions, look for hostages. Like sure people can leave, hamas could leave with them, but then they wont have their big guns and hamas loses the terrain advantage. Similarly hard to move hostages without being discovered.
orionsbelt 3y ago
Hamas is operating out of a network of tunnels in northern Gaza. I’ve read there are 30k+ militants. Hamas wants a ground war in Gaza, they are not leaving. Rockets are still flying out of there every day.

Right, is the idea that it will be helpful to just make everybody homeless?

As another person who doesn't understand what's going on, I'm seeing articles that indicate they are effectively trying to drive people out and force them to leave and move to other countries and not come back and trying to use low cost tactics like telling them to evacuate to limit actual cost as well as international pushback. And some people are saying "That's a big fat nope."

invalidname 3y ago
Historically in 1948 Palestinians left their home and due to ongoing wars were never able to come back. Effectively they lost their home. They're afraid this is happening again. Honestly, I don't know if it is or if it isn't. But what can Israel do here? Israel said the area they will target which puts its soldiers at risk. In the interest of avoiding civilian casualties. Israel already withdrew settlements from Gaza so the chances of this coming back is pretty slim. It's a pretty terrible situation for the Palestinian people and it's 100% the fault of Hamas. Unfortunately, if Israel won't destroy the Hamas now this will happen again and it will be worse.
- DoreenMichele 3y ago
  Historically in 1948 Palestinians left their home and due to ongoing wars were never able to come back. Effectively they lost their home. They're afraid this is happening again. Yes, that's what I've been reading. Various nations do not want to welcome "temporary refugees" because they feel they've seen this before and it will not be temporary. There will be no going back if that option is accepted. I have no idea what "should" be done. I'm still trying to understand the situation. There are deep and bitter roots. All parties to the conflict have grievances and there are no obvious solutions to seemingly anyone, especially not some sort of win-win talking points solutions.
  - invalidname 3y ago
    This is actually pretty simple and people keep complicating it with History. The Hamas charter is that the entirety of Israel belongs to the Palestinian and should be an Islamic state. Their roots are in the Muslim Brotherhood (from al-qaeda, ISIS fame). When the Oslo accord was signed and peace broke out, they started blowing up busses with suicide bombers (and coffee shops and many other things). They essentially destroyed the chance for peace, enabled the rise of Benjamin Netanyahu and moved Israel to the right. Netanyahu actually supported them and helped them financially due to a misconception that they will prevent the formation of a Palestinian state due to their extremism (yes, he really is THAT stupid). Unfortunately, despite their leaders sitting on buckets of cash in Qatar etc. They made a very deliberate choice of burning down Israel. They are the main reason we don't have a Palestinian state. They would literally pay with the blood of their own people due to a crazy religious interpretation. It's not about hate, it's not about revenge. They are a cancer on their own people. They are killing them and Israelis. They will burn everything down. Unfortunately, like any cancer they're embedded deep and rooting that out is painful and almost impossible. People don't understand this, they think that peace or ceasefire are always the best options. But there are these very rare occasions where evil must be eliminated for the sake of everyone involved.
    - DoreenMichele 3y ago
      From what I gather, the current stated goal of Israel is the elimination of Hamas and the US supports that and even China seems to have dropped their opposition and announced "They have a right to defend themselves." So perhaps it will get resolved.
bawolff 3y ago
> indicate they are effectively trying to drive people out and force them to leave and move to other countries I mean, this is obviously untrue since there is no other country they can go to. Gaza shares a border with only israel and egypt and neither is letting anyone leave (a fucked up situation for the innocents caught in the middle)
- pauldenton 3y ago
  If you really believe that Europe and America aren't going to receive any refugees from Gaza I have a bridge to sell you
  - bawolff 3y ago
    Well they haven't thus far. Hard to predict the future, but as it stands the borders are closed.

bawolff 3y ago

I assume israel wants to take out equipment, sieze strategic positions, look for hostages. Like sure people can leave, hamas could leave with them, but then they wont have their big guns and hamas loses the terrain advantage. Similarly hard to move hostages without being discovered.

orionsbelt 3y ago

Hamas is operating out of a network of tunnels in northern Gaza. I’ve read there are 30k+ militants. Hamas wants a ground war in Gaza, they are not leaving. Rockets are still flying out of there every day.