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>The United States, within living memory, conducted a firebombing campaign of Dresden, which had limited military value, killing over 25,000. We interned over 1

>The United States, within living memory, conducted a firebombing campaign of Dresden, which had limited military value, killing over 25,000. We interned over 100,000 of our own citizens of Japanese ancestry. We conducted a firebombing campaign of Tokyo, killing around 100,000 civilians and leaving over a million homeless. The United States was the most powerful country by far at the time. Israel is tiny in comparison; it can't afford to just disregard public opinion and make enemies with all its neighbours, because the US won't be able to protect it forever.

nwiswell 3y ago
> and make enemies with all its neighbours too late. Israel exists because it won the 1967 war, when many of its neighbors simultaneously tried to invade.
DoreenMichele 3y ago
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- zogrodea 3y ago
  “Should we be unable to find a way to honest cooperation and honest pacts with the Arabs, then we have learned absolutely nothing during our 2,000 years of suffering.” Einstein in his letter to Zionist leader Chaim Weizmann, Nov. 25, 1929, AEA (Albert Einstein Archives) 33-411. He's not alone in this sentiment. Other prominent Jews like Hannah Arendt were anti-Zionist too.
  - DoreenMichele 3y ago
    That has no bearing on what I said. Israel exists due to this goal to establish a Jewish homeland. This is where we are. Einstein's vision was not followed and his fame as a Nobel prize winner doesn't automatically mean he had the best answer. If only everyone were kind-hearted and well-meaning and acted in good faith and etc, then maybe we wouldn't need religion or government. That, however, is not the world we live in and being too "nice" can mean you just enable the bad behavior of people less nice than you.
  - jacquesm 3y ago
    As are many present day Jews both inside and outside of Israel. And not all of those are of the same plumage either, there are moderate anti-Zionist Jews as well as Ultra-Orthodox anti-Zionist Jews. It's all pretty confusing, from what I understand it has to do with different opinions on how the state of Israel came into being for the latter.

nwiswell 3y ago

> and make enemies with all its neighbours too late. Israel exists because it won the 1967 war, when many of its neighbors simultaneously tried to invade.

DoreenMichele 3y ago

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zogrodea 3y ago
“Should we be unable to find a way to honest cooperation and honest pacts with the Arabs, then we have learned absolutely nothing during our 2,000 years of suffering.” Einstein in his letter to Zionist leader Chaim Weizmann, Nov. 25, 1929, AEA (Albert Einstein Archives) 33-411. He's not alone in this sentiment. Other prominent Jews like Hannah Arendt were anti-Zionist too.
- DoreenMichele 3y ago
  That has no bearing on what I said. Israel exists due to this goal to establish a Jewish homeland. This is where we are. Einstein's vision was not followed and his fame as a Nobel prize winner doesn't automatically mean he had the best answer. If only everyone were kind-hearted and well-meaning and acted in good faith and etc, then maybe we wouldn't need religion or government. That, however, is not the world we live in and being too "nice" can mean you just enable the bad behavior of people less nice than you.
- jacquesm 3y ago
  As are many present day Jews both inside and outside of Israel. And not all of those are of the same plumage either, there are moderate anti-Zionist Jews as well as Ultra-Orthodox anti-Zionist Jews. It's all pretty confusing, from what I understand it has to do with different opinions on how the state of Israel came into being for the latter.