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"Health Ministry in Gaza" literally the health ministry of Hamas. Why would such organization lie? /s

culi 3y ago
The UN estimated 5k 5 days ago.
shihab 3y ago
1. Hamas says over 7,300 killed in war; UN backs toll [1] 2. Despite Biden's doubts, humanitarian agencies consider Gaza toll reliable [2] [1] https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/hamas-says-over-7300-killed-in-war-un-backs-toll/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/hamas-says-over... [2] https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/despite-bidens-doubts-humanitarian-agencies-consider-gaza-toll-reliable-2023-10-27/ https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/despite-bidens-dou...
bhouston 3y ago
Danidin wrote: > "Health Ministry in Gaza" literally the health ministry of Hamas. Why would such organization lie? This is language that justifies death, by minimizing it. There are likely not perfect, but in the past numbers from the Gaza health ministry haven't been wildly wrong: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/despite-bidens-doubts-humanitarian-agencies-consider-gaza-toll-reliable-2023-10-27/ https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/despite-bidens-dou...
arp242 3y ago
As I understand it, historically it's been fairly accurate and reliable. Does this guarantee they're accurate today? No. Do I blindly trust anything that's being said? No. But merely "it's Hamas, therefore the figures are false" also doesn't really cut it. See e.g. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/26/can-we-trust-casualty-figures-from-the-hamas-run-gaza-health-ministry https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/26/can-we-trust-c...
- djaro 3y ago
  A week ago, when Hamas dropped a rocket on THEIR OWN hospital, the "Health Ministry" said Israel killed 500 people. Despite it not being Israel, and it not killing 500 people. They are just straight up lying
  - culi 3y ago
    Hamas did not drop a rocket on a Gazan hospital. Not even Israel said that. And the case is still under investigation. No honest person could claim there's without a doubt enough evidence to accuse a specific party
  - MisterBastahrd 3y ago
    What nonsense. You could sit 500 people directly on top of one of those Hamas rockets, detonate it, and it wouldn't kill 500 people. Those people are not dealing with state of the art military equipment.
  - arp242 3y ago
    No one claims that's what happened; there are claims that a misfire from Palestinian Islamic Jihad caused the explosion. This seems entirely plausible, perhaps even likely, but as of yet it's not 100% clear. Absolutely no one suggest that it was somehow an intentional attack on their own people. Could just have been some yahoos firing a rocket from the bushes and getting it wrong, and that Hamas has just as much information as the rest of us do. That is, basically this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESOhN-SaH-s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESOhN-SaH-s
  - megous 3y ago
    Here's the MoH channel https://t.me/s/MOHMediaGaza https://t.me/s/MOHMediaGaza I don't see why you put the "Health Ministry" in quotes. If you scroll prior to 7th oct you'd see content any normal health ministry in any country would produce. Just so much demonization going on, these days.
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culi 3y ago

The UN estimated 5k 5 days ago.

1. Hamas says over 7,300 killed in war; UN backs toll [1] 2. Despite Biden's doubts, humanitarian agencies consider Gaza toll reliable [2] [1] https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/hamas-says-over-7300-killed-in-war-un-backs-toll/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/hamas-says-over... [2] https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/despite-bidens-doubts-humanitarian-agencies-consider-gaza-toll-reliable-2023-10-27/ https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/despite-bidens-dou...

bhouston 3y ago

Danidin wrote: > "Health Ministry in Gaza" literally the health ministry of Hamas. Why would such organization lie? This is language that justifies death, by minimizing it. There are likely not perfect, but in the past numbers from the Gaza health ministry haven't been wildly wrong: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/despite-bidens-doubts-humanitarian-agencies-consider-gaza-toll-reliable-2023-10-27/ https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/despite-bidens-dou...

arp242 3y ago

As I understand it, historically it's been fairly accurate and reliable. Does this guarantee they're accurate today? No. Do I blindly trust anything that's being said? No. But merely "it's Hamas, therefore the figures are false" also doesn't really cut it. See e.g. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/26/can-we-trust-casualty-figures-from-the-hamas-run-gaza-health-ministry https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/26/can-we-trust-c...

djaro 3y ago
A week ago, when Hamas dropped a rocket on THEIR OWN hospital, the "Health Ministry" said Israel killed 500 people. Despite it not being Israel, and it not killing 500 people. They are just straight up lying
- culi 3y ago
  Hamas did not drop a rocket on a Gazan hospital. Not even Israel said that. And the case is still under investigation. No honest person could claim there's without a doubt enough evidence to accuse a specific party
- MisterBastahrd 3y ago
  What nonsense. You could sit 500 people directly on top of one of those Hamas rockets, detonate it, and it wouldn't kill 500 people. Those people are not dealing with state of the art military equipment.
- arp242 3y ago
  No one claims that's what happened; there are claims that a misfire from Palestinian Islamic Jihad caused the explosion. This seems entirely plausible, perhaps even likely, but as of yet it's not 100% clear. Absolutely no one suggest that it was somehow an intentional attack on their own people. Could just have been some yahoos firing a rocket from the bushes and getting it wrong, and that Hamas has just as much information as the rest of us do. That is, basically this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESOhN-SaH-s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESOhN-SaH-s
- megous 3y ago
  Here's the MoH channel https://t.me/s/MOHMediaGaza https://t.me/s/MOHMediaGaza I don't see why you put the "Health Ministry" in quotes. If you scroll prior to 7th oct you'd see content any normal health ministry in any country would produce. Just so much demonization going on, these days.

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