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The Palestinians are not intermittently but continuously oppressed. Israel can stop it at any time but chooses not to, hence the retaliation by the Palestinians

by uluyol 3y ago

The Palestinians are not intermittently but continuously oppressed. Israel can stop it at any time but chooses not to, hence the retaliation by the Palestinians. What Israel is doing now is not retaliation but doubling down on their standard M.O. You've got the history backwards, friend.

Danidin 3y ago
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- onlyrealcuzzo 3y ago
  Yes, yes, and every country in the world beside old evil Israel would allow it. China would allow Taiwanese extermists to regularly sneak into China and brutally murder, rape, and torture 600,000 people without obliterating Taiwan. Russia wouldn't do anything if Ukrainian extremists launched rockets at them regularly - they'd just accept their crazy neighbors for who they are! And the US would definitely let 9-11 happen, and not invade and occupy two countries (one of which had literally nothing to do with anything) for a decade after. Only Israel is evil. /sarcasm in case not obvious.
- FireBeyond 3y ago
  Bubble? Oh dear. You show your ignorance in this comment. > have an airport There's no airport in Gaza. Yasser Arafat airport was bombed and the runway destroyed in 2001 by Israel 22 years ago. > a port Since 2007, the Port of Gaza has been under an Israeli-imposed naval blockade as part of a blockade of the Gaza Strip, and activities at the port have been restricted to small-scale fishing. > unchecked import Where are these unchecked imports coming from? Through the closed Egyptian border? Or through the closed Israeli border?
- culi 3y ago
  > Yes, let's let this terrorists who killed babies cold blooded This is a completely made up fake story that's oft repeated by the Netanyahu administration. No basis in reality And you should really learn about the history of Palestine and all the attempts at peace. Israel has occupied Palestine for decades and has murdered thousands. In 2014 alone they killed 2,300 Palestinians. 70% of those being civilians. In return Israel lost 87 soldiers in their invasion. If you lost your brother, mother, sister, etc, wouldn't that push you to... doing something? Anything? Hamas is NOT Palestine. But their existence ONLY makes sense if you read even a little bit of the history of this occupation.
  - _kbh_ 3y ago
    > This is a completely made up fake story that's oft repeated by the Netanyahu administration. No basis in reality We have pictures of dead babies from the October raid by Hamas, this is based in reality and is not made up.
  - ipaddr 3y ago
    Hamas is 8% of Gaza's males and whatever families support them at the least. "If you lost your brother, mother, sister, etc, wouldn't that push you to... doing something? Anything?" Are you saying you support Israel's response?
    - enterprise_cog 3y ago
      Maybe take a brief timeout. When you start cherry picking stats and throwing out statements like a camp guard and prisoner are the same... you've taking in too many social media posts and you’re triggered. Take a deep breath and go outside. Whatever war you are waging on here is not working
    - FireBeyond 3y ago
      Gaza is 2.1 million people. Hamas armed members are estimated at 15-30,000. That seems more like .8%, not 8%.
HDThoreaun 3y ago
It's really not that simple at all. Israel pulled out of gaza and gazans immediately voted for a party whose main goal is the extermination of Jews. ending the oppression of palestinaisn would immediately lead to massive terrorist attacks against israelis, why would they let that happen?
YZF 3y ago
This is factually and morally wrong. - Israel is not intermittently but continuously under attack since 1948 for its mere existence. - Since when does being "oppressed" give anyone the right to launch rockets on civilians and commit suicide bombings? There are many people in this world who are much worse off than Palestinians who would never imagine engaging in these sorts of acts. - The Hamas wants Jews erased. It doesn't matter what Israel "stops" or does. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_Charter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_Charter
- megous 3y ago
  Oh, mere existence. :) Sorry, this will not work anymore. More and more people now are learning about the massacres in '47/'48, Nakba, ethnic cleansing, violations of UN resolutions, or even the original partition plan, war crimes, constant illegal settler harrasment and land grabs, and the disgusting nature of the oppression, political machinations of the Israel's ruling class, etc. Ivoking morality or rights when the occupier doesn't respect either, will just keep working only on the most gullible. Israel is powerful, and has well established PR machine and lobbying, but the tide of public opinion can turn against it eventually, if it will push too hard.
  - YZF 3y ago
    Arabs massacred Jews as well. More and more people are learning nothing and are just repeating propaganda and promoting hate. I'm not denying there was violence against Arabs by Jews. I'm not denying there's settler harassment and land grabs. That does not justify the violence from the Arab side. It is not right but it also does not justify. If you're going to be stuck in 1947/1948 (and the picture isn't as simple as you're trying to paint it, conveniently forgetting the surrounding counties attacking Israel or the attacks of Arabs against Jews) then this is not going to get resolved. If the dialogue from the Palestinian side is stuck on their historic injustices, some of them are true, some of them maybe less true (to put mildly), without acknowledging the other side and without looking at how they might have contributed to where we stand they are going to lose more. Israel's PR sucks and it's not that powerful. Public opinion changes on a dime. EDIT: I just want to address a few more points: - "Ivoking morality or rights when the occupier doesn't respect either". There is no equivalency here and there are important details that are intentionally left fuzzy in this statement. The morality of building a settlement on occupied territory (from Jordan) is not equivalent to the morality of shooting a baby in the head in front of their parents. There is no piece of land on this earth that is not built on "occupied" territory. What is different about the west bank is that its status has never been resolved after it was won from Jordan in 1967. Some refer to the entirety of Israel + West bank + Gaza as occupied territory which is factually wrong. The fuzziness here is not random, it is intentional. - "original partition plan". Can you be more specific on the partition plan? It's generally the Arab side who avoids mentioning it and avoids mentioning that the Arabs rejected it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_... "Arab leaders and governments rejected the plan of partition". - "war crimes". Generally speaking Israel is not committing war crimes. There is a vast legal apparatus in the IDF that advises on the legality of various actions. You may not like those those actions, and it's true that the Palestinians and some others label them as war crimes, but technically they are not. This is just more demonizing rhetoric justifying violence. It's basically blood libel. What most Arab PR calls a war crime is allowed under law of war. I'm sure there are some exceptions. The Israel-Arab situation is somewhat unique but if you compare to many other wars the Israelis are fighting relatively within the allowed legal frameworks. I think if you point out to specific actions, that are clearly war crimes, that's fine. If you just say "war crimes" that's propaganda.

by uluyol 3y ago

Danidin 3y ago

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onlyrealcuzzo 3y ago
Yes, yes, and every country in the world beside old evil Israel would allow it. China would allow Taiwanese extermists to regularly sneak into China and brutally murder, rape, and torture 600,000 people without obliterating Taiwan. Russia wouldn't do anything if Ukrainian extremists launched rockets at them regularly - they'd just accept their crazy neighbors for who they are! And the US would definitely let 9-11 happen, and not invade and occupy two countries (one of which had literally nothing to do with anything) for a decade after. Only Israel is evil. /sarcasm in case not obvious.
FireBeyond 3y ago
Bubble? Oh dear. You show your ignorance in this comment. > have an airport There's no airport in Gaza. Yasser Arafat airport was bombed and the runway destroyed in 2001 by Israel 22 years ago. > a port Since 2007, the Port of Gaza has been under an Israeli-imposed naval blockade as part of a blockade of the Gaza Strip, and activities at the port have been restricted to small-scale fishing. > unchecked import Where are these unchecked imports coming from? Through the closed Egyptian border? Or through the closed Israeli border?
culi 3y ago
> Yes, let's let this terrorists who killed babies cold blooded This is a completely made up fake story that's oft repeated by the Netanyahu administration. No basis in reality And you should really learn about the history of Palestine and all the attempts at peace. Israel has occupied Palestine for decades and has murdered thousands. In 2014 alone they killed 2,300 Palestinians. 70% of those being civilians. In return Israel lost 87 soldiers in their invasion. If you lost your brother, mother, sister, etc, wouldn't that push you to... doing something? Anything? Hamas is NOT Palestine. But their existence ONLY makes sense if you read even a little bit of the history of this occupation.
- _kbh_ 3y ago
  > This is a completely made up fake story that's oft repeated by the Netanyahu administration. No basis in reality We have pictures of dead babies from the October raid by Hamas, this is based in reality and is not made up.
- ipaddr 3y ago
  Hamas is 8% of Gaza's males and whatever families support them at the least. "If you lost your brother, mother, sister, etc, wouldn't that push you to... doing something? Anything?" Are you saying you support Israel's response?
  - enterprise_cog 3y ago
    Maybe take a brief timeout. When you start cherry picking stats and throwing out statements like a camp guard and prisoner are the same... you've taking in too many social media posts and you’re triggered. Take a deep breath and go outside. Whatever war you are waging on here is not working
  - FireBeyond 3y ago
    Gaza is 2.1 million people. Hamas armed members are estimated at 15-30,000. That seems more like .8%, not 8%.

HDThoreaun 3y ago

It's really not that simple at all. Israel pulled out of gaza and gazans immediately voted for a party whose main goal is the extermination of Jews. ending the oppression of palestinaisn would immediately lead to massive terrorist attacks against israelis, why would they let that happen?

YZF 3y ago

This is factually and morally wrong. - Israel is not intermittently but continuously under attack since 1948 for its mere existence. - Since when does being "oppressed" give anyone the right to launch rockets on civilians and commit suicide bombings? There are many people in this world who are much worse off than Palestinians who would never imagine engaging in these sorts of acts. - The Hamas wants Jews erased. It doesn't matter what Israel "stops" or does. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_Charter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_Charter

megous 3y ago
Oh, mere existence. :) Sorry, this will not work anymore. More and more people now are learning about the massacres in '47/'48, Nakba, ethnic cleansing, violations of UN resolutions, or even the original partition plan, war crimes, constant illegal settler harrasment and land grabs, and the disgusting nature of the oppression, political machinations of the Israel's ruling class, etc. Ivoking morality or rights when the occupier doesn't respect either, will just keep working only on the most gullible. Israel is powerful, and has well established PR machine and lobbying, but the tide of public opinion can turn against it eventually, if it will push too hard.
- YZF 3y ago
  Arabs massacred Jews as well. More and more people are learning nothing and are just repeating propaganda and promoting hate. I'm not denying there was violence against Arabs by Jews. I'm not denying there's settler harassment and land grabs. That does not justify the violence from the Arab side. It is not right but it also does not justify. If you're going to be stuck in 1947/1948 (and the picture isn't as simple as you're trying to paint it, conveniently forgetting the surrounding counties attacking Israel or the attacks of Arabs against Jews) then this is not going to get resolved. If the dialogue from the Palestinian side is stuck on their historic injustices, some of them are true, some of them maybe less true (to put mildly), without acknowledging the other side and without looking at how they might have contributed to where we stand they are going to lose more. Israel's PR sucks and it's not that powerful. Public opinion changes on a dime. EDIT: I just want to address a few more points: - "Ivoking morality or rights when the occupier doesn't respect either". There is no equivalency here and there are important details that are intentionally left fuzzy in this statement. The morality of building a settlement on occupied territory (from Jordan) is not equivalent to the morality of shooting a baby in the head in front of their parents. There is no piece of land on this earth that is not built on "occupied" territory. What is different about the west bank is that its status has never been resolved after it was won from Jordan in 1967. Some refer to the entirety of Israel + West bank + Gaza as occupied territory which is factually wrong. The fuzziness here is not random, it is intentional. - "original partition plan". Can you be more specific on the partition plan? It's generally the Arab side who avoids mentioning it and avoids mentioning that the Arabs rejected it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_... "Arab leaders and governments rejected the plan of partition". - "war crimes". Generally speaking Israel is not committing war crimes. There is a vast legal apparatus in the IDF that advises on the legality of various actions. You may not like those those actions, and it's true that the Palestinians and some others label them as war crimes, but technically they are not. This is just more demonizing rhetoric justifying violence. It's basically blood libel. What most Arab PR calls a war crime is allowed under law of war. I'm sure there are some exceptions. The Israel-Arab situation is somewhat unique but if you compare to many other wars the Israelis are fighting relatively within the allowed legal frameworks. I think if you point out to specific actions, that are clearly war crimes, that's fine. If you just say "war crimes" that's propaganda.