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Someday, people in the western countries will mourn the lives lost and wish they could help in time. Except this is the time. Not after the fact and a few remai

Someday, people in the western countries will mourn the lives lost and wish they could help in time. Except this is the time. Not after the fact and a few remains. This is an occurring theme.

zdragnar 3y ago
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- bhouston 3y ago
  > Word on the street is Hamas is actively preventing people from evacuating. The majority of Palestinians from the north have evacuated to the south. So if they tried it was completely ineffective.
  - MisterBastahrd 3y ago
    What's Israel doing to the south? Oh, right, they're bombing it.
    - bhouston 3y ago
      They are but not the same extent. Not that this makes it better.
- bluish29 3y ago
  Do you have evidence or this is just a literal word on street? By the way there is nowhere to escape the Isreali bombardment in gaza strip. And Palestinians don't want to leave their lands because they know they will never see it again. Hell most gazans are refugees from other parts in Palestine who had endured something like this before.
- FireBeyond 3y ago
  Evacuate to where? There's only two border crossings: to Egypt, which I believe is closed. And if Israel is letting Palestinians cross the border into Israel, that'd be news to me.
  - Danidin 3y ago
    https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/10/world/map-israel-hamas-war-dg https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/10/world/map-israel-hamas-wa... Simple google and you found the answer - shocking.
    - FireBeyond 3y ago
      You're living some time in the 1990s, apparently. From your own link: > Humanitarian crisis grows as Israel cuts off Gaza > As airstrikes in Gaza have forced hundreds of thousands of people to flee their homes and overwhelm areas, including hospitals, there is little room to go. Oh, hang on, this supports your argument: > People living in northern Gaza told to flee south: The Israeli military told 1.1 million people to leave densely populated northern Gaza, including Gaza City, and relocate to the south of the strip. Good thing they're not bombing southern Gaza, since it's the Israeli's recommended evacuation point... > Israel-Hamas war: Satellite data shows Israel intensifying bombing of south Gaza > Satellite radar suggests that Israel has intensified its bombing of southern Gaza in the last two weeks, despite ordering residents of the north to flee southwards. (https://news.sky.com/story/gaza-war-satellite-data-shows-israel-intensifying-bombing-of-south-12993277 https://news.sky.com/story/gaza-war-satellite-data-shows-isr...) Well, shit. So maybe a bit more Googling is in order, perhaps.
- culi 3y ago
  This is propaganda. The UN is begging Israel to allow aid in: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/25/un-gaza-aid-israel-blocking-fuel https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/25/un-gaza-aid-is...
  - BrianHenryIE 3y ago
    UNICEF: > We have lost touch with our colleagues in Gaza. I'm extremely concerned about their safety and another night of unspeakable horror for one million children in Gaza. All humanitarians and the children and families they serve MUST be protected. Catherine Russell, UNICEF Executive Director https://twitter.com/UNICEF/status/1718006187000746048 https://twitter.com/UNICEF/status/1718006187000746048
    - culi 3y ago
      Yes it's tragic and terrifying
im3w1l 3y ago
I'm mourning their lives right now, but I have no idea what I could do about any of it.
- deleted 3y ago
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- tachyons 3y ago
  Tell your senator to not use your taxes to fund a genocide.
  - culi 3y ago
    Specifically, the US annually gives $3.8 billion in aid to the Israeli military. In the UN, the US has also utilized their veto power to overrule 34 different resolutions related to Israel/Palestine peace since 1954. This really is the US' creation in so many ways yet so few Americans know anything about the topic.
  - megous 3y ago
    Just respecting Leehy Law would be enough. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leahy_Law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leahy_Law
- arp242 3y ago
  No one really seems to have any idea. Israel doesn't want these people, and no one else seems to either. We can't force Israel (or anyone else) to take these people, and we can't force Israel to lift their blockage either. So they remain stuck in what's essentially the world's largest open-air prison (the entire Gaza strip is roughly the size of the Dublin metro area, but given that ~500 to 1,000 metres from the border can de-facto result in getting shot means it's even smaller than that). That's really the core issue, and when the smoke clears from the current episode everyone will move on to other things, and we'll be having the same discussions in several years time when a new conflict inevitably emerged. Back in the 90s there was real hope and a path forward, but we seem further away than ever from that. The entire problem seems intractable, without a clear "just do this" solution. I'm not seeing the will for a two-state solution among the population on either side, and Hamas is not like the IRA (or Arafat) who can be satisfied with a compromise, and neither are the extremist religious Jewish nutjobs for that matter.
snird 3y ago
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- hypefi 3y ago
  No, it is not okay for Israel to steal land, oppress and kill people with impunity
  - snird 3y ago
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    - HDThoreaun 3y ago
      Israel has majorly stepped up settlements and general Palestinian antagonization in the last year. Ben Gvir especially has been doing everything he can to spit on the west bank.
- stjohnswarts 3y ago
  Exactly, all Hamas has to do is come out of their tunnels, lay down their weapons, free the hostages and it all ends.
  - megous 3y ago
    So you support Israeli war crimes and international humanitarian law violations, as a means to achieve its ends? Or just in general, that it's ok for any country or any party to the conflict? Can't seem to find the logic behind your argument.
- matsemann 3y ago
  This has to be the stupidest take on this situation I've read on this site. You're seriously thinking Hamas is the big problem here? Of course their terror should be condemned, but it's nothing compared to what Israel is doing. How many children killed by Israel are you willing to ignore? You're delusional.

Someday, people in the western countries will mourn the lives lost and wish they could help in time. Except this is the time. Not after the fact and a few remains. This is an occurring theme.

zdragnar 3y ago

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bhouston 3y ago
> Word on the street is Hamas is actively preventing people from evacuating. The majority of Palestinians from the north have evacuated to the south. So if they tried it was completely ineffective.
- MisterBastahrd 3y ago
  What's Israel doing to the south? Oh, right, they're bombing it.
  - bhouston 3y ago
    They are but not the same extent. Not that this makes it better.
bluish29 3y ago
Do you have evidence or this is just a literal word on street? By the way there is nowhere to escape the Isreali bombardment in gaza strip. And Palestinians don't want to leave their lands because they know they will never see it again. Hell most gazans are refugees from other parts in Palestine who had endured something like this before.
FireBeyond 3y ago
Evacuate to where? There's only two border crossings: to Egypt, which I believe is closed. And if Israel is letting Palestinians cross the border into Israel, that'd be news to me.
- Danidin 3y ago
  https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/10/world/map-israel-hamas-war-dg https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/10/world/map-israel-hamas-wa... Simple google and you found the answer - shocking.
  - FireBeyond 3y ago
    You're living some time in the 1990s, apparently. From your own link: > Humanitarian crisis grows as Israel cuts off Gaza > As airstrikes in Gaza have forced hundreds of thousands of people to flee their homes and overwhelm areas, including hospitals, there is little room to go. Oh, hang on, this supports your argument: > People living in northern Gaza told to flee south: The Israeli military told 1.1 million people to leave densely populated northern Gaza, including Gaza City, and relocate to the south of the strip. Good thing they're not bombing southern Gaza, since it's the Israeli's recommended evacuation point... > Israel-Hamas war: Satellite data shows Israel intensifying bombing of south Gaza > Satellite radar suggests that Israel has intensified its bombing of southern Gaza in the last two weeks, despite ordering residents of the north to flee southwards. (https://news.sky.com/story/gaza-war-satellite-data-shows-israel-intensifying-bombing-of-south-12993277 https://news.sky.com/story/gaza-war-satellite-data-shows-isr...) Well, shit. So maybe a bit more Googling is in order, perhaps.
culi 3y ago
This is propaganda. The UN is begging Israel to allow aid in: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/25/un-gaza-aid-israel-blocking-fuel https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/25/un-gaza-aid-is...
- BrianHenryIE 3y ago
  UNICEF: > We have lost touch with our colleagues in Gaza. I'm extremely concerned about their safety and another night of unspeakable horror for one million children in Gaza. All humanitarians and the children and families they serve MUST be protected. Catherine Russell, UNICEF Executive Director https://twitter.com/UNICEF/status/1718006187000746048 https://twitter.com/UNICEF/status/1718006187000746048
  - culi 3y ago
    Yes it's tragic and terrifying

im3w1l 3y ago

I'm mourning their lives right now, but I have no idea what I could do about any of it.

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tachyons 3y ago
Tell your senator to not use your taxes to fund a genocide.
- culi 3y ago
  Specifically, the US annually gives $3.8 billion in aid to the Israeli military. In the UN, the US has also utilized their veto power to overrule 34 different resolutions related to Israel/Palestine peace since 1954. This really is the US' creation in so many ways yet so few Americans know anything about the topic.
- megous 3y ago
  Just respecting Leehy Law would be enough. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leahy_Law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leahy_Law
arp242 3y ago
No one really seems to have any idea. Israel doesn't want these people, and no one else seems to either. We can't force Israel (or anyone else) to take these people, and we can't force Israel to lift their blockage either. So they remain stuck in what's essentially the world's largest open-air prison (the entire Gaza strip is roughly the size of the Dublin metro area, but given that ~500 to 1,000 metres from the border can de-facto result in getting shot means it's even smaller than that). That's really the core issue, and when the smoke clears from the current episode everyone will move on to other things, and we'll be having the same discussions in several years time when a new conflict inevitably emerged. Back in the 90s there was real hope and a path forward, but we seem further away than ever from that. The entire problem seems intractable, without a clear "just do this" solution. I'm not seeing the will for a two-state solution among the population on either side, and Hamas is not like the IRA (or Arafat) who can be satisfied with a compromise, and neither are the extremist religious Jewish nutjobs for that matter.

snird 3y ago

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hypefi 3y ago
No, it is not okay for Israel to steal land, oppress and kill people with impunity
- snird 3y ago
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  - HDThoreaun 3y ago
    Israel has majorly stepped up settlements and general Palestinian antagonization in the last year. Ben Gvir especially has been doing everything he can to spit on the west bank.
stjohnswarts 3y ago
Exactly, all Hamas has to do is come out of their tunnels, lay down their weapons, free the hostages and it all ends.
- megous 3y ago
  So you support Israeli war crimes and international humanitarian law violations, as a means to achieve its ends? Or just in general, that it's ok for any country or any party to the conflict? Can't seem to find the logic behind your argument.
matsemann 3y ago
This has to be the stupidest take on this situation I've read on this site. You're seriously thinking Hamas is the big problem here? Of course their terror should be condemned, but it's nothing compared to what Israel is doing. How many children killed by Israel are you willing to ignore? You're delusional.