3 ms·

The question was about getting such a position. Do you know any case where a hiring decision was decided by somebody being thought to be bad at teaching? Or som

The question was about getting such a position. Do you know any case where a hiring decision was decided by somebody being thought to be bad at teaching? Or somebody being significantly better at teaching than somebody else? How does a hiring committee evaluate somebody's teaching quality? (Not necessarily the same as teaching experience)

bee_rider 3y ago
Most grad students, particularly ones they are interested in staying in, end up having to do some teaching or have a teaching assistant role at some point. I’m sure it is a + on the resume. Nothing individually is a deal breaker or deal maker, everything is factored in, right?
- staunton 3y ago
  That seems consistent with my claim. Teaching experience is a "plus", no attempt is made to evaluate the quality of someone's teaching. A few CVs I've seen don't even mention teaching experience despite people having some. There definitely are deal breakers: no (high enough impact) publications would be an easy one. There is no amount of teaching quality, be it proven and famed, that would offset that in places I've seen. Staying in the same country (or even the same university) is a hard deal breaker in a lot of places...
  - ModernMech 3y ago
    > There is no amount of teaching quality, be it proven and famed, that would offset that in places I've seen. Staying in the same country (or even the same university) is a hard deal breaker in a lot of places... We've absolutely hired teaching faculty without a Ph.D. (therefore lacking in publications) due to their excellent teaching ability. See my other reply about how we evaluate their ability.
    - deleted 3y ago
      [deleted]
ModernMech 3y ago
> Do you know any case where a hiring decision was decided by somebody being thought to be bad at teaching? Personally no, but I'm sure they exist. For my debarment, hiring decisions are usually unanimous or with a few salty holdouts, but overall we only hire if the vote is overwhelming. If it seems split, we hold off. > How does a hiring committee evaluate somebody's teaching quality? The way we do it, during the on-campus interview, the candidate gives a lecture of their choice in front of a class of students. We record it and observe. Students submit feedback. You can also use recommendation letters. We require at least 3.

bee_rider 3y ago

Most grad students, particularly ones they are interested in staying in, end up having to do some teaching or have a teaching assistant role at some point. I’m sure it is a + on the resume. Nothing individually is a deal breaker or deal maker, everything is factored in, right?

staunton 3y ago
That seems consistent with my claim. Teaching experience is a "plus", no attempt is made to evaluate the quality of someone's teaching. A few CVs I've seen don't even mention teaching experience despite people having some. There definitely are deal breakers: no (high enough impact) publications would be an easy one. There is no amount of teaching quality, be it proven and famed, that would offset that in places I've seen. Staying in the same country (or even the same university) is a hard deal breaker in a lot of places...
- ModernMech 3y ago
  > There is no amount of teaching quality, be it proven and famed, that would offset that in places I've seen. Staying in the same country (or even the same university) is a hard deal breaker in a lot of places... We've absolutely hired teaching faculty without a Ph.D. (therefore lacking in publications) due to their excellent teaching ability. See my other reply about how we evaluate their ability.
  - deleted 3y ago
    [deleted]

ModernMech 3y ago

> Do you know any case where a hiring decision was decided by somebody being thought to be bad at teaching? Personally no, but I'm sure they exist. For my debarment, hiring decisions are usually unanimous or with a few salty holdouts, but overall we only hire if the vote is overwhelming. If it seems split, we hold off. > How does a hiring committee evaluate somebody's teaching quality? The way we do it, during the on-campus interview, the candidate gives a lecture of their choice in front of a class of students. We record it and observe. Students submit feedback. You can also use recommendation letters. We require at least 3.