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Will the world still be able to trust the US pretending to be blind?

• krapp 3y ago
  The US isn't pretending to be blind. The US has clearly picked a side, and it isn't the side of opposition to genocide.
  • tomohawk 3y ago
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    • krapp 3y ago
      No, the US has picked the side of Israel, which is committing genocide against the Palestinian people. What Israel is doing is unjustifiable, even under the premise of "fighting Hamas."
      • id00 3y ago
        From you point of view, what would be a justifiable response (by Israel and by the US) to the attack that was done by the Hamas on 7th of October?
        • whatshisface 3y ago
          I have always thought the principle of an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth was grounded in a tradition of enormous gravitas.
        • enterprise_cog 3y ago
          Figure out why the much hyped IDF professional forces got clowned on by Hamas would be where I’d start. Bombing infrastructure, hospitals, and a dense city filled with civilians is not.
        • giraffe_lady 3y ago
          I'm curious what your answer is to this same question. Raz Segal, an israeli historian and expert in modern genocides has called this "a textbook case of genocide." Is this where you stand on it? Or is there some sort of middle ground between genocide and another thing you'd like to occupy? I am honestly and genuinely curious.
          • id00 3y ago
            I'm just an armchair expert. I think it's clear - what was done before is not working (including 2005 Israeli disengagement from Gaza, humanitarian aid and donations). It's clear that Hamas are dark age scum that need to be dealt with force. It's also clear that most of the population of Gaza supports Hamas, and that Hamas will also will use them as body-shields. Now, I was born in a 3rd world country and had to deal with a lot of scum. You can't have a conversation with people like those: any concessions you make - will be considered as a weakness and you will be pushed even more. I don't support Israel in what they do, but I don't see any other options I would choose if I was them.
            • giraffe_lady 3y ago
              Jesus fuck man it's a genocide get a grip. It's children. The median age is like 17, when you call these people "dark age scum" and call for their murder you're talking about kids. Coward shit.
              • id00 3y ago
                If you kindly read my comment again, you will see that I DON'T call the general population of Gaza scum. It's Hamas, who are in my opinion, are scum. If you disagree with that statement then I invite you to read more about the organization history, their worldview, their goals and actions.
                • giraffe_lady 3y ago
                  I just want you to always and forever remember and admit that this is what you were doing during this. Hemming and hawing about who you can call scum without quite admitting to yourself you're advocating for genocide. You can never pretend that you didn't know what we were doing, or that you meaningfully opposed it.
        • krapp 3y ago
          I don't know, I'm not an Israeli general. But it wouldn't involve the intentional targeting of civilians, as Israel appears to be doing. Beyond that is a rabbithole of decades of Israel/Palestine conflict, the Gaza strip, occupation of the West Bank and settlements that I really don't want to go down.
  • dragonwriter 3y ago
    Neither of the warring parties stands in opposition to genocide; both have both used the genocidal “no innocent civilians” argument in PR, and acted consistent with it. This would be a tricky thing for the US to address on its own, but its made more complex by the fact that one of the genocidal warring parties is also acting as a proxy for a foreign power who is also waging a proxy war on multiple fronts against the US, and their actions (while it would be oversimplifying to call them merely a part of it) are not disconnected from that proxy war.
    • krapp 3y ago
      I feel like the current administration could have handled things in such a way as to not look so... eager for blood? And sure, neither side is an angel but not supporting genocide or terrorism either way and supporting a ceasefire or at least condemning the violence on both sides is a legitimate stance to take and the US didn't even go that far.
      • dragonwriter 3y ago
        I am only not more directly critical of the Administration's response as there are indications that they are working to (and maybe a having some, though far from enough success) moderate Israel's actions (delaying a ground invasion, among other things), and cannot discount the possibility that a better rhetorical position would have worse substantive results. At the same time... I don't disagree with any of your characterization of the problems with the positioning of the Administration, outside of that consideration.