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After seeing a few documentaries on them (but never going to jail in the US or EU), I am now of the opinion that European jails seem as fucked up, but have a mu

After seeing a few documentaries on them (but never going to jail in the US or EU), I am now of the opinion that European jails seem as fucked up, but have a much more humane veneer. They are much more likely to give prisoners huge quantities of psychoactive drugs, and often essentially force them to go to intense therapy sessions, which could be considered a form of psychological torture. US jails don't do any of that, but have a lot of other issues.

wahnfrieden 3y ago
US guards often push drugs for side money (Guards who are overworked and underpaid)
- ravenstine 3y ago
  I remember this being a thing that happened in the prison drama Oz, and thinking that phenomenon being BS, but I've heard enough stories of guards bringing in contraband that it seems to happen at an oddly high frequency. Is the prison system somewhat complicit with the drug running?
  - wahnfrieden 3y ago
    Yes. Go read up on torture island aka Rikers. The system is a cruel joke.
  - throwaway447 3y ago
    Yes you can buy drugs in prison freely. You can even buy cell phones but they have devices to detect cell phones in your cell. Who brings them in? Possibly guards but visitors can also bring in a lot. Pretrial detention is tougher. The drugs are brought into prison and then smuggled into pretrial detention.
  - qingcharles 3y ago
    When I was locked up a few months ago, I would say on an average cell block maybe 80%+ of the prisoners were using drugs? Higher on some decks, lower on others. It would be a lot higher if people could afford them. Edit: I'd never seen anything except weed before I went to jail. Inside jail I saw and was offered every single drug known to man in whatever quantity I wanted.
qingcharles 3y ago
From being in jail, the jails do give the prisoners whatever psychoactive drugs are needed to zombify them.
mvncleaninst 3y ago
Do you have the names of documentaries handy by chance?
- arp242 3y ago
  Here's one I happen to know (with English subs): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCMt7ynK9jg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCMt7ynK9jg "TBS" is "prison with psychiatric care". It's a bit complex because you first get your punishment (prison term) and then after that additional TBS treatment (until you're "safe to be released", basically). I'm not claiming this is representative for Europe, or even the rest of the Dutch prisons. However, everything else I've seen over the years from most European countries gave me the impression the average is closer to that than what I've seen/heard from US prisons. Solitary confinement on its own is already controversial enough, but being pushed in a cell naked and literally nothing to do?! What the actual fuck?!
thaumasiotes 3y ago
> and often essentially force them to go to intense therapy sessions, which could be considered a form of psychological torture. US jails don't do any of that, but have a lot of other issues. It was my impression that, under the US system, those convicted of crimes related to drug use are very often required to go to therapy.
- qingcharles 3y ago
  Yes, many crimes require therapy as part of a release plan in the USA. The therapy supplied is pretty awful quality and the people attending aren't there by choice, but because it is required to stop them returning to prison, so it has almost zero effect on their rehabilitation. From my experience, at least 50% of those released from prison are returned pretty quickly for drug possession.

wahnfrieden 3y ago

US guards often push drugs for side money (Guards who are overworked and underpaid)

ravenstine 3y ago
I remember this being a thing that happened in the prison drama Oz, and thinking that phenomenon being BS, but I've heard enough stories of guards bringing in contraband that it seems to happen at an oddly high frequency. Is the prison system somewhat complicit with the drug running?
- wahnfrieden 3y ago
  Yes. Go read up on torture island aka Rikers. The system is a cruel joke.
- throwaway447 3y ago
  Yes you can buy drugs in prison freely. You can even buy cell phones but they have devices to detect cell phones in your cell. Who brings them in? Possibly guards but visitors can also bring in a lot. Pretrial detention is tougher. The drugs are brought into prison and then smuggled into pretrial detention.
- qingcharles 3y ago
  When I was locked up a few months ago, I would say on an average cell block maybe 80%+ of the prisoners were using drugs? Higher on some decks, lower on others. It would be a lot higher if people could afford them. Edit: I'd never seen anything except weed before I went to jail. Inside jail I saw and was offered every single drug known to man in whatever quantity I wanted.

qingcharles 3y ago

From being in jail, the jails do give the prisoners whatever psychoactive drugs are needed to zombify them.

mvncleaninst 3y ago

Do you have the names of documentaries handy by chance?

arp242 3y ago
Here's one I happen to know (with English subs): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCMt7ynK9jg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCMt7ynK9jg "TBS" is "prison with psychiatric care". It's a bit complex because you first get your punishment (prison term) and then after that additional TBS treatment (until you're "safe to be released", basically). I'm not claiming this is representative for Europe, or even the rest of the Dutch prisons. However, everything else I've seen over the years from most European countries gave me the impression the average is closer to that than what I've seen/heard from US prisons. Solitary confinement on its own is already controversial enough, but being pushed in a cell naked and literally nothing to do?! What the actual fuck?!

thaumasiotes 3y ago

> and often essentially force them to go to intense therapy sessions, which could be considered a form of psychological torture. US jails don't do any of that, but have a lot of other issues. It was my impression that, under the US system, those convicted of crimes related to drug use are very often required to go to therapy.

qingcharles 3y ago
Yes, many crimes require therapy as part of a release plan in the USA. The therapy supplied is pretty awful quality and the people attending aren't there by choice, but because it is required to stop them returning to prison, so it has almost zero effect on their rehabilitation. From my experience, at least 50% of those released from prison are returned pretty quickly for drug possession.