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Still too crowded.

rtkwe 3y ago
As with most states bigger than a shoe box (looking at you Northeastern states, there's too many of you) there's loads of open space they're just not great to live in for one reason or another; those reasons range from climate to politics to lack of jobs.
- bee_rider 3y ago
  The Northeast was what America was supposed to be, but something went wrong around Connecticut or Pennsylvania. I don’t know what happened but they are where things started to go all rectangle-shaped.
  - rtkwe 3y ago
    Once it became easier to measure longitude and latitude in land surveying it became way easier to define state borders as straight lines instead of following a river's course or other arbitrary lines. Even in the depths of the madness of the NE you have lines that are "straight from this point until you reach another state line or the border".
    - quantified 3y ago
      Also just getting past the crown colonies and states/territories with poor roads.
kmeisthax 3y ago
It only feels that way because your state mandates everyone buy single-family homes with giant setbacks for lawns that aren't even ecologically compatible with the natural climate of the state. And also that NIMBYs terrorize every possible project to fix this with spurious environmental review lawsuits, and then go on to use the same laws to shut down clean energy projects they don't like.
- recursive 3y ago
  I don't disagree. Perhaps people are voting with their feet.
- ImJamal 3y ago
  >It only feels that way because your state mandates everyone buy single-family homes I'm not sure that is the case. If everybody lived in apartments then there would be more people in your area which would lead to you seeing more people along with worse traffic. People who live in areas with like 5 people per square mile don't complain about there being too many people around them because nobody is around them.
  - ben_w 3y ago
    > If everybody lived in apartments then there would be more people in your area which would lead to you seeing more people along with worse traffic. To an extent, though the sensation of crowding can also diverge from the actual population density depending on how the city planners organise things. Berlin feels much more open and chill than places in the US; even the Mitte district whose population density is 9,600/km^2 and which is only a bit less than the 11,313.8/km^2 of NYC[0] and quite a bit more than the 7,193.3/km^2 of SF. [0] whole thing not just Manhattan which is 28,154/km^2
LetMePostMore 3y ago
Yes, too crowded, except for the 30% of the state north of Sacramento, and the entire east side of the state, and a big chunk of the Central Valley. But besides that 80% of the state that is mostly empty, it is way too crowded.
- Turing_Machine 3y ago
  In other words, the parts of the state with the worst climates. For example, Fresno is basically the same as El Paso, Texas when it comes to climate, but has outrageously higher taxes and cost of living.

Still too crowded.

As with most states bigger than a shoe box (looking at you Northeastern states, there's too many of you) there's loads of open space they're just not great to live in for one reason or another; those reasons range from climate to politics to lack of jobs.

bee_rider 3y ago
The Northeast was what America was supposed to be, but something went wrong around Connecticut or Pennsylvania. I don’t know what happened but they are where things started to go all rectangle-shaped.
- rtkwe 3y ago
  Once it became easier to measure longitude and latitude in land surveying it became way easier to define state borders as straight lines instead of following a river's course or other arbitrary lines. Even in the depths of the madness of the NE you have lines that are "straight from this point until you reach another state line or the border".
  - quantified 3y ago
    Also just getting past the crown colonies and states/territories with poor roads.

kmeisthax 3y ago

It only feels that way because your state mandates everyone buy single-family homes with giant setbacks for lawns that aren't even ecologically compatible with the natural climate of the state. And also that NIMBYs terrorize every possible project to fix this with spurious environmental review lawsuits, and then go on to use the same laws to shut down clean energy projects they don't like.

recursive 3y ago
I don't disagree. Perhaps people are voting with their feet.
ImJamal 3y ago
>It only feels that way because your state mandates everyone buy single-family homes I'm not sure that is the case. If everybody lived in apartments then there would be more people in your area which would lead to you seeing more people along with worse traffic. People who live in areas with like 5 people per square mile don't complain about there being too many people around them because nobody is around them.
- ben_w 3y ago
  > If everybody lived in apartments then there would be more people in your area which would lead to you seeing more people along with worse traffic. To an extent, though the sensation of crowding can also diverge from the actual population density depending on how the city planners organise things. Berlin feels much more open and chill than places in the US; even the Mitte district whose population density is 9,600/km^2 and which is only a bit less than the 11,313.8/km^2 of NYC[0] and quite a bit more than the 7,193.3/km^2 of SF. [0] whole thing not just Manhattan which is 28,154/km^2

LetMePostMore 3y ago

Yes, too crowded, except for the 30% of the state north of Sacramento, and the entire east side of the state, and a big chunk of the Central Valley. But besides that 80% of the state that is mostly empty, it is way too crowded.

Turing_Machine 3y ago
In other words, the parts of the state with the worst climates. For example, Fresno is basically the same as El Paso, Texas when it comes to climate, but has outrageously higher taxes and cost of living.