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Heller made clear that right of people is individual rights of persons. So for instance you still have fourth amendment right even when by yourself. Heller al

Heller made clear that right of people is individual rights of persons. So for instance you still have fourth amendment right even when by yourself. Heller also clarifies the right is disconnected from militia service. I'm just looking for a single logically consistent person to admit that aliens (not just those with a hunting license or other credential) are people with all the rights of people, or not people and not protected specifically by what is narrowed to protection of people. You were painfully close.

jessenaser 3y ago
Aliens are people with all the rights of people.
- salamanderss 3y ago
  I've been debating this with various people for years and you're the first person willing to pick one or the other. For the record I'm in agreement, although imo neither answer is wrong as long as consistent. What is insane to me is that almost no one including the courts want to address that harsh logical inconsistency through much beyond high IQ handwaving.
jessenaser 3y ago
Yes, the second amendment should apply even if you are a visitor. If a citizen just needs a license to own, then you just need a license. I was just saying that that clause in the second amendment could be the only possible way a court could argue otherwise. Because the constitution states: "nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." So, only that clause "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State," could modify that. But I don't think it does, but a lot of Supreme Court justices have a lot of ideas about the clause. Only should voting (including running for office) and immigration should be tied to citizenship. I think we have the same ideas. A lot of people in the comments were arguing that non citizens should not have freedom of speech. That is pretty weird and unconstitutional.

jessenaser 3y ago

Aliens are people with all the rights of people.

salamanderss 3y ago
I've been debating this with various people for years and you're the first person willing to pick one or the other. For the record I'm in agreement, although imo neither answer is wrong as long as consistent. What is insane to me is that almost no one including the courts want to address that harsh logical inconsistency through much beyond high IQ handwaving.

jessenaser 3y ago

Yes, the second amendment should apply even if you are a visitor. If a citizen just needs a license to own, then you just need a license. I was just saying that that clause in the second amendment could be the only possible way a court could argue otherwise. Because the constitution states: "nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." So, only that clause "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State," could modify that. But I don't think it does, but a lot of Supreme Court justices have a lot of ideas about the clause. Only should voting (including running for office) and immigration should be tied to citizenship. I think we have the same ideas. A lot of people in the comments were arguing that non citizens should not have freedom of speech. That is pretty weird and unconstitutional.