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The fastest certified off-the-shelf e-bike goes to 28 mph and usually max out at 20mph, which is far below the usual speed of motorcycles. Of those 25,000 ER vi

The fastest certified off-the-shelf e-bike goes to 28 mph and usually max out at 20mph, which is far below the usual speed of motorcycles. Of those 25,000 ER visits, very few are fatal, and of 1,260 bicyclist deaths in 2020, 806 were from collisions with vehicles. It seems cars are the problem, and this can easily be addressed by adding protected bike lanes and dedicated bike paths. By providing safe cycling routes, other countries such as the Netherlands have been able to see a large-scale transition from auto transportation to cycling with very few accidents, ebike or not. Compare these numbers with motor vehicles (especially how pedestrian deaths by motor vehicle are skyrocketing), and it's clear that our priorities should be placed on safe pedestrian and cycling infrastructure, not by regulating ebike usage. https://apnews.com/article/traffic-deaths-distracted-driving-crisis-6db6471e273b275920b6c4f9eb7e493b https://apnews.com/article/traffic-deaths-distracted-driving... https://www.npr.org/2023/06/26/1184034017/us-pedestrian-deaths-high-traffic-car https://www.npr.org/2023/06/26/1184034017/us-pedestrian-deat...

rickydroll 3y ago
To point, it doesn't matter how fast you going. If you follow the bike, you have a higher G Force just from the vertical drop. Your head and body don't decelerate that fast sliding forward. You will get the same amount of road rash if you fall off and e-bike or a motorcycle one at the same speed. Some hard data on the bike accidents and the kind of injuries that occur. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9100098/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9100098/ then read the Hurt report The number 1 best way to reduce accidents between different kinds of vehicles is training people to drive consistently and predictably. Personally I think someone should not get a license to drive until they've shown have mastered driving three types of vehicles (singletrack, dual track light weight, dual track-heavyweight).
- notthemessiah 3y ago
  What are you talking about? Your response ignores the most basic facts about physics (kinetic energy = (1/2)mv^2) and vehicular safety (speeding kills). And what do you mean by 3 types of vehicles? Did you have ChatGPT generate your response or something? https://nacto.org/publication/city-limits/the-need/speed-kills/ https://nacto.org/publication/city-limits/the-need/speed-kil...
  - rickydroll 3y ago
    From a naïve perspective, you are right. However, the physics of falling off a moving vehicle is more complicated. You have the downward G forces under gravity which do not change with forward motion. The deceleration going forward is a function of how how much your skin/clothing adds friction. The curbstone/light posts scenarios do happen but ERs are not filled with those cases. It's the road rash cases. Three types of vehicles are singletrack like motorcycle, bicycle. Two wheels oriented on on the same line in the direction of travel. uses countersteering., Dual track, four wheels relatively light mass such as cars or small pickup trucks. Dual track heavyweight which may not be something are familiar with if you didn't grow up with trucks. It's a truck with two wheels in the front and four or eight wheels in the back. Usually require CDL to drive. All of these vehicles handled differently under the same road and weather conditions. If you train and build skills outside of your normal day-to-day usage, you'll build a cope with the unusual more easily and in this case, be a better driver. As for your speed kills simplification, it's momentum that kills. How fast you decelerate. Speed kills is for people who aren't knowledgeable of physics and how it applies to their day-to-day life.

rickydroll 3y ago

To point, it doesn't matter how fast you going. If you follow the bike, you have a higher G Force just from the vertical drop. Your head and body don't decelerate that fast sliding forward. You will get the same amount of road rash if you fall off and e-bike or a motorcycle one at the same speed. Some hard data on the bike accidents and the kind of injuries that occur. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9100098/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9100098/ then read the Hurt report The number 1 best way to reduce accidents between different kinds of vehicles is training people to drive consistently and predictably. Personally I think someone should not get a license to drive until they've shown have mastered driving three types of vehicles (singletrack, dual track light weight, dual track-heavyweight).

notthemessiah 3y ago
What are you talking about? Your response ignores the most basic facts about physics (kinetic energy = (1/2)mv^2) and vehicular safety (speeding kills). And what do you mean by 3 types of vehicles? Did you have ChatGPT generate your response or something? https://nacto.org/publication/city-limits/the-need/speed-kills/ https://nacto.org/publication/city-limits/the-need/speed-kil...
- rickydroll 3y ago
  From a naïve perspective, you are right. However, the physics of falling off a moving vehicle is more complicated. You have the downward G forces under gravity which do not change with forward motion. The deceleration going forward is a function of how how much your skin/clothing adds friction. The curbstone/light posts scenarios do happen but ERs are not filled with those cases. It's the road rash cases. Three types of vehicles are singletrack like motorcycle, bicycle. Two wheels oriented on on the same line in the direction of travel. uses countersteering., Dual track, four wheels relatively light mass such as cars or small pickup trucks. Dual track heavyweight which may not be something are familiar with if you didn't grow up with trucks. It's a truck with two wheels in the front and four or eight wheels in the back. Usually require CDL to drive. All of these vehicles handled differently under the same road and weather conditions. If you train and build skills outside of your normal day-to-day usage, you'll build a cope with the unusual more easily and in this case, be a better driver. As for your speed kills simplification, it's momentum that kills. How fast you decelerate. Speed kills is for people who aren't knowledgeable of physics and how it applies to their day-to-day life.